Empty Tomb / Empty Coffin

[paarsurrey]

Empty Tomb / Empty Coffin, not a sign of becoming god as Christians are made to believe by Paul/Church:

A 95-year-old Chinese woman thought to have passed away stunned her neighbours - after waking up six days after she had been placed in a coffin.

Li Xiufeng was found motionless and not breathing in bed by a neighbour two weeks after tripping and suffering a head injury at her home in Beiliu, Guangxi Province.
She was placed in a coffin which was kept in her house unsealed under Chinese tradition for friends and relatives to pay respects.
But the day before the funeral, neighbours found an empty coffin, and later discovered the 95-year-old, who had since woken up, in her kitchen cooking.
Neighbour Chen Qingwang, 60, who originally found Mrs Xiufeng, said: 'She didn't get up, so I came up to wake her up.
'No matter how hard I pushed her and called her name, she had no reactions.
When the neighbour who found her could not wake the pensioner up, they feared the worst and thought the elderly woman had passed away.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-95-comes-life-climbing-coffin-days-died.html
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[DawudTalut]

Empty Tomb / Empty Coffin, ......
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-95-comes-life-climbing-coffin-days-died.html
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Among other things, it shows the state of medical care in that region as in the early part of story, no mention of calling doctor or health provider of any type is mentioned [though latter part mentions medics but their role was not seen in early]...Neighbors assumed everything.
Coffins seems not a cheap one.

This part of story need special attention too:
"Despite cheating death, however, the same Chinese tradition left Mrs Xiufeng without any possessions, according to ritual, after a person dies, all their belongings must be burnt."

Was whole things burnt was seen by everyone?

IMO everything from China cannot be trusted without proper skepticism.

 

[Sees]

I don't think the gospels empty tomb is really considered a sign for Jesus gaining divinity within any sect or denomination of Christianity...most all Muslims seem to have a very hard time understanding the elementary basics of what Christianity actually states - a bit mind-boggling.

It is a cool story though in regards to the Chinese lady.

 

[Corthos]

Back in Victorian times (if I remember correctly) they discovered (much to people's horror) that some folks had woken alive inside their graves. They figured this out after excavating bodies, and finding that there were scratch marks from inside the grave where the person tried to claw their way out... Contraptions like this were created to alert gravediggers that someone had awoken in their graves.

In an old mining town about 80 miles away there is a graveyard so massive that it extends all the way to the next town over. Many of these old graves have these weird contraptions. Hell, I remember reading about one lady who lived there and she had woken up in her grave about 8 different times or so?

 

[Jedster]

Back in Victorian times (if I remember correctly) they discovered (much to people's horror) that some folks had woken alive inside their graves. They figured this out after excavating bodies, and finding that there were scratch marks from inside the grave where the person tried to claw their way out... Contraptions like this were created to alert gravediggers that someone had awoken in their graves.

In an old mining town about 80 miles away there is a graveyard so massive that it extends all the way to the next town over. Many of these old graves have these weird contraptions. Hell, I remember reading about one lady who lived there and she had woken up in her grave about 8 different times or so?

This reminds me of the first ever horror movie I watched called "The Premature Burial" (based on Poe's story).
"Set in the early dark Victorian-era 1830s or 1840s (also similar to Charles Dickens' fiction of rain-soaked London streets), it follows Guy Carrell, who is obsessed with the fear of death. He is most obsessed with the fear of being buried alive. Though his fiancee Emily says he has nothing to be afraid of, he still thinks he will be buried alive (a common fear and in reality an occasional occurrence). So deluded, he seeks help from a few people, including his sister, but he still is haunted by the fear of death and the sense that someone close wants him dead." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Premature_Burial_(film)


The movie is on youtube.

 

[psychoslice]

Of course it all didn't happen, simple.

 

[freethinker44]

Clearly, it's the work of vampires.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Empty Tomb / Empty Coffin, not a sign of becoming god as Christians are made to believe by Paul/Church:

She too is a returnee from heaven like Mohammad.

 

[paarsurrey]

Back in Victorian times (if I remember correctly) they discovered (much to people's horror) that some folks had woken alive inside their graves. They figured this out after excavating bodies, and finding that there were scratch marks from inside the grave where the person tried to claw their way out... Contraptions like this were created to alert gravediggers that someone had awoken in their graves.

In an old mining town about 80 miles away there is a graveyard so massive that it extends all the way to the next town over. Many of these old graves have these weird contraptions. Hell, I remember reading about one lady who lived there and she had woken up in her grave about 8 different times or so?

John Duns Scotus (1266 – 1308) was reportedly found outside his coffin with his hands torn and bloody after attempting to escape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_coffin

The recovery of supposedly dead victims of cholera, as depicted in The Premature Burial by Antoine Wiertz, fuelled the demand for safety coffins.

Taberger's Safety Coffin employed a bell as a signaling device, for anybodyburied alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_coffin​

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[paarsurrey]

My friends may like to visit "Where are the remains of Jesus of Nazareth?"

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Roza+Bal+Jesus
#196, #183
Empty tomb did not tell that Jesus ascended to sky. It is a wrong notion.
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[Corthos]

John Duns Scotus (1266 – 1308) was reportedly found outside his coffin with his hands torn and bloody after attempting to escape.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_coffin

The recovery of supposedly dead victims of cholera, as depicted in The Premature Burial by Antoine Wiertz, fuelled the demand for safety coffins.

Taberger's Safety Coffin employed a bell as a signaling device, for anybodyburied alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_coffin​

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Oh, interesting. I didn't realize it happened that early. =)

 

[Parsimony]

Empty Tomb / Empty Coffin, not a sign of becoming god as Christians are made to believe by Paul/Church:

Two notes:

(1) For those who believe Jesus is God, they believe that He always was God. That is, he didn't become God just by being resurrected.
(2) Lazarus was said to have been brought back to life as well, yet no one believes that he was God. Christians therefore don't take resurrection from the dead as proof that the revived person was God.

 

[roger1440]

Back in Victorian times (if I remember correctly) they discovered (much to people's horror) that some folks had woken alive inside their graves. They figured this out after excavating bodies, and finding that there were scratch marks from inside the grave where the person tried to claw their way out... Contraptions like this were created to alert gravediggers that someone had awoken in their graves.

In an old mining town about 80 miles away there is a graveyard so massive that it extends all the way to the next town over. Many of these old graves have these weird contraptions. Hell, I remember reading about one lady who lived there and she had woken up in her grave about 8 different times or so?

What do you mean by, "...if I remember correctly..." ? Just how old are you?

 

[RRex]

Empty Tomb / Empty Coffin, not a sign of becoming god as Christians are made to believe by Paul/Church:

A 95-year-old Chinese woman thought to have passed away stunned her neighbours - after waking up six days after she had been placed in a coffin.

Li Xiufeng was found motionless and not breathing in bed by a neighbour two weeks after tripping and suffering a head injury at her home in Beiliu, Guangxi Province.
She was placed in a coffin which was kept in her house unsealed under Chinese tradition for friends and relatives to pay respects.
But the day before the funeral, neighbours found an empty coffin, and later discovered the 95-year-old, who had since woken up, in her kitchen cooking.
Neighbour Chen Qingwang, 60, who originally found Mrs Xiufeng, said: 'She didn't get up, so I came up to wake her up.
'No matter how hard I pushed her and called her name, she had no reactions.
When the neighbour who found her could not wake the pensioner up, they feared the worst and thought the elderly woman had passed away.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-95-comes-life-climbing-coffin-days-died.html
Regards

I think this is why Western embalmers use the trocar, which is a nasty looking tool used to basically destroy the organs during the embalming process. It is thrust in and out of the body several times.

 

[paarsurrey]

Two notes:

(1) For those who believe Jesus is God, they believe that He always was God. That is, he didn't become God just by being resurrected.
(2) Lazarus was said to have been brought back to life as well, yet no one believes that he was God. Christians therefore don't take resurrection from the dead as proof that the revived person was God.

Then why do you believe Jesus was Christian-god.
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[Parsimony]

Then why do your believe Jesus was Christian-god.
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I'm not completely convinced that He was, personally. Of those who do, they would probably cite the verse where Jesus says "I and the Father are one", among others. I can also recall Thomas saying to Jesus, "My Lord, My God," after examining his scars from crucifixion.

 

[paarsurrey]

I'm not completely convinced that He was, personally. Of those who do, they would probably cite the verse where Jesus says "I and the Father are one", among others. I can also recall Thomas saying to Jesus, "My Lord, My God," after examining his scars from crucifixion.

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" Deuteronomy 6:4

"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me.I am the LORD, and there is no other," Isaiah 45:5-6.

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[paarsurrey]

Two notes:

(1) For those who believe Jesus is God, they believe that He always was God. That is, he didn't become God just by being resurrected.
(2) Lazarus was said to have been brought back to life as well, yet no one believes that he was God. Christians therefore don't take resurrection from the dead as proof that the revived person was God.

(Jesus) he didn't become God just by being resurrected.

But Jesus never got alive from the literally and physically dead. Many a clues in the events mentioned in the Gospels tell clearly that Jesus did not die on the Cross in the first place.
It is fiction authored by Paul.
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[paarsurrey]

3 days (and three nights)

Grandmother 'comes back from the dead just minutes before post-mortem' after spending THREE DAYS in the morgue
By ANNA EDWARDS
PUBLISHED: 16:19 GMT, 29 December 2012 | UPDATED: 16:45 GMT, 29 December 2012

A grandmother has been brought back from the dead twice - and has even survived spending three days in a morgue.
The 61-year-old Russian woman has been declared dead twice by doctors, but each time has come back to life - and once was minutes away from being cut open for her autopsy.
Hardy Lyudmila Steblitskaya spent 3 days laying in a freezing cold morgue, while her family mourned the retired cook.

Anastasia started arranging the funeral of her mother after being told by doctors that she was dead

Anastasia could not believe it when doctors halted an autopsy and discovered her mother was alive
Read details: Photos courtesy Siberian Times/NTV
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-dead-spending-days-morgue.html#ixzz43ALDv1or
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[Parsimony]

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" Deuteronomy 6:4

"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me.I am the LORD, and there is no other," Isaiah 45:5-6.

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Nor do Christians think Jesus is a different god.

(Jesus) he didn't become God just by being resurrected.

But Jesus never got alive from the literally and physically dead. Many a clues in the events mentioned in the Gospels tell clearly that Jesus did not die on the Cross in the first place.
It is fiction authored by Paul.
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Yeah, I'm gonna need you to quote the places in the Gospels that support that assertion.