Have You Ever Experienced Anti-White Racism?

[Twilight Hue]

I wouldnt consider affirmative action racism if it is trying to uplift an ethnic group that affirmative action and other discriminatory practices and laws was used against in the first place. That is more like levelling the playing field. I do consider it inneffective though.

I agree with you that equal opportunity to education is the way to go. But this includes raising schools in minority communities to a high standard, feeding children who are underprivileged and improving community conditions.

Well think about it. It just isn't against whites.

Its also degrades blacks as well and other minority groups because people who sees a black person or a minority person won't think they ever got there by their own intellect and education and ability , they just got there by their skin color , which makes things even worse as a now even more despised group , rather than a group of people who got there on their own volition and accomplishments some people might think they're simply too stupid to get there on their own.

It just provides more fuel to the hate groups out there.

It's why I would rather see a right to equal access and opportunity rather than willful segregation into specific groups of people and giving them preference over another group of people that one would deem as privileged vs disadvantaged.

I would much rather see an environment of competitiveness nurtured where the prize is available to all.

 

[Revoltingest]

Anyone of any race can be prejudiced or bigoted toward another race.

But that old definition would mean that it's
possible...just possible that a black person
could be racist towards whites or Asians.
That would be unacceptable.
Perhaps even impossible.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Well think about it. It just isn't against whites.

Its also degrades blacks as well and other minority groups because people who sees a black person or a minority person won't think they ever got there by their own intellect and education and ability , they just got there by their skin color , which makes things even worse as a now even more despised group , rather than a group of people who got there on their own volition and accomplishments some people might think they're simply too stupid to get there on their own.

It just provides more fuel to the hate groups out there.

It's why I would rather see a right to equal access and opportunity rather than willful segregation into specific groups of people and giving them preference over another group of people that one would deem as privileged vs disadvantaged.

I would much rather see an environment of competitiveness nurtured where the prize is available to all.

I get what you mean. This is exactly the mentality that is happening in my country at the moment and the people who are against affirmative action doesn't even know how it works or what the criteria are. They just hear affirmative action and then they think a person got to where they are unfairly. Nevermind that they weren't complaining when white people were benefitting from affirmative action in their favour in the past.

The problem is that without affirmative action implemented, many people can favour certain races and just say that others weren't qualified, which is what also has happened.

On the flip side, affirmitive action doesn't benefit the majority of previously disadvantaged races, as only a select few benefit from it and in the end the corporations are still the ones who are winning.

To develop equal access we still have to focus on helping out certain groups though. Lets take tertiary studying for instance. A person who comes from a rich family has a better chance of getting in because they can afford it and had good schools in their neighbourhood. This is skewed to the advantaged demographic. A person who comes from a poor family who doesn't have good education in their neighbourhood will very rarely get an opportunity to access a good tertiery education. This means that they will have a significantly lesser chance of getting a good job that pays well which means that the same issue will be repeated in the next generation.

And this is where competitiveness adds to the problem. It could be said that competetiveness encourages crippling others to get to the top. And it certainly does perpetuate existing inequality. So the prize wouldn't be available to all. There has to be a non competitive framework that sets everyone on equal footing in the first place. Then the competition can start when everybody starts in the same position on the starting line.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I agree that these are real problems that need to be addressed. I also think complacency can be insidious in perpetuating or compounding the minimization of racism: if someone claims that a society is no longer racist and dismisses instances of institutional racism on the grounds that they supposedly don't happen anymore, they are effectively shutting down necessary conversations about the existence of those instances and, in many situations, casting doubt on the integrity of the people who are targeted by the racism.



I don't think racism—which I view as discrimination or prejudice based on race—is limited to acts stemming from a feeling of racial superiority, so yes, I think both are racist acts but with substantially different motives and contexts.

There's widespread fetishization of Asians in some online communities, and it is often accompanied by glorification of real or perceived aspects of "Asian culture," a term I'm enclosing in quotes because I realize that Asia is a vastly diverse continent without a single, uniform culture. I consider such fetishization racist even if it is often not accompanied by feelings of superiority.

I also think it's important to denounce racist acts even when they are out of hurt—but of course also understand the background behind them—because, for example, the same logic was used by many people to justify anti-Arab hatred in the wake of 9/11, and you can find many examples of apologetics for anti-Black racism because of statements like, "Black communities have higher crime rates." If someone has been hurt by a member of a certain ethnicity, I think that is terrible and needs to be rejected by any respectable individual, but I also don't think it is fair to refuse to label a racially prejudiced act "racist" just because it was done out of hurt. The act itself doesn't change even if the motive and background do.

Thing is that discrimination or prejudice based on race I don't think is a good basic definition at all, because in order to rectify racist issues of the past, one has to focus on race. One cannot cure a cancer by ignoring it and saying that everything is fine. You have to focus on the cancer and push it back.

I think that motives certainly matter because they create different outcomes. An example is White nationalism vs black nationalism. White nationalism entails the oppressing of other races by claiming the better land and controlling resources and leaving a meagre portion for the rest so that they can exploit them. Black nationalism consists of black people who are fearful of white people because of actual occurrences of the past and who want a separate space for their own people for protection. It doesn't involve the oppression of white people. (Unless they are black hebrew israelites, who think they are superior to white people). One wants power and the other wants protection. Both have significantly different consequences and that is because the intent is different.

I get what your are trying to say with regards to asian culture. It could be said though that the reason why there is asian fetishization is because they are considered "other", often described as exotic, meaning "not the norm". This has always been the case towards many cultures. Native Americans, Black people, Latinos and many others are fetishized. And this is because white is seen as the baseline, which in itself is a form of white supremacy. It happens within those communities as well. Colourism is a thing and light skinned black, Latino and native americans are fetishized by their own community because they are closer to white. It stems from the subconscious belief that white is normal and at the top, and every other race is inferior to them. Therefore the others races get objectified and stereotyped which results in fetishism. White people and light skinned people get fetishized because white is the ideal to strive for.

 

[Revoltingest]

....people who are against affirmative action doesn't even know how it works or what the criteria are.

Here, the criteria were simple, ie, hire a rigid percentage
of blacks & women. This meant rejecting some more
qualified whites & Asians.

They just hear affirmative action and then they think a person got to where they are unfairly.

Fans of affirmative action have said that men &
whites got where they are unfairly. They just
want to change whom the unfairness harms
or benefits.

Nevermind that they weren't complaining when white people were benefitting from affirmative action in their favour in the past.

Affirmative action tended to most affect newer
workers, who played no role in the system decried.
If you see whites & blacks, & males & females
solely as groups, it's not so bad. But seeing them
as individuals paints a picture of injustice.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In my opinion

• racism is an attitude, an ethnic prejudice, while
• racial discrimination is the codification of that attitude.

It is cause and effect, and it's worth noting that different causes can produce comparable effects. Enslaved Africans were deemed to be biologically (genetically) different and inferior. The eugenics movement of the early 20th century counterposed racial inferiority and racial superiority. On the other hand, the xenophobic containment strategies implemented against Japanese in the U.S. during the war, and currently against the Palestinians in Israel-Palestine, is primarily driven by fear and national chauvinism.

As for the poll ...

In the late 60's our family lived in the predominantly Hispanic Mission District of San Francisco. The culture seemed to be: "If you live with us your one of us." We were always treated as neighbors.

In the mid-70s I transferred from a U.S. Steel plant in Lorraine, OH, to one in the Chicagoland. I finally found an affordable apartment that (a) could accommodate a family of six, and (b) was reasonably affordable. It was a new apartment complex located in the heart of an African American community. It turns out that I was a perfect candidate because the owners were intent on integrating the property. For whatever reason, we turned out to be one of exceedingly few white families in the neighborhood, and we were treated exceedingly well.

On a very few occasions I encountered something akin to caution or suspicion, and I got the sense that I was being vetted, but I do not recall anyone in my family experiencing hostility.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For just about everything I've gotten crap from someone, everything except being white. Ginger, using my left hand, no religious beliefs, music choices, feet pointing outwards, but being white has never been held against me.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Yes. Only once. Just a few years ago.
I walked into a Burger King and up to the empty counter. I asked for a large fries and a large cup for water (the pop dispensers will pour water too!). After the girl behind the counter set the large empty cup down, an apparently agitated black man (lean, 6' 0", late 20's in age) slid up and took my cup. I gave a quizzical side-glance and said, "I think you have the wrong cup sir."
The next minute was spent with this young man bouncing back and forth up to my face, talking heatedly about how "my kind" will never have peace with "his kind", and once asking if I "wanted to make something of it".
The young ladies behind the counter looked scared and said it was fine, and the man could have the cup, and they'd give me another.
I told him that "No. I just wanted a cup of water. But that's OK, the ladies behind the counter have another one ready; you go ahead and keep that one."
It was a tense minute of time, but I calculated that I'd walk out with possibly a bloody nose for his 1 or 2 broken limbs, being escorted by police.
He bobbed around a few more seconds, before leaving, with an empty large cup in his hands.

Whether it was trauma or drug-induced, his little tirade was clearly aimed at me as a tall white guy with a buzzcut hairstyle (I'm most often mistaken as a cop or military officer).

Oh well, no harm done, and the teens in back thanked me for getting him to leave, because he'd been acting "weird" (all the more reason to figure that he was high at the time).

 

[Daemon Sophic]

For just about everything I've gotten crap from someone, everything except being white. Ginger, using my left hand, no religious beliefs, music choices, feet pointing outwards, but being white has never been held against me.

Well now. Feet pointed outward you say!? That's just fine, as long as none of your kind come into my neighborhood.



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Actually, I had Physical Therapy (PT) because my duck-foot stance was getting out of hand.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well now. Feet pointed outward you say!? That's just fine, as long as none of your kind come into my neighborhood.



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Actually, I had Physical Therapy (PT) because my duck-foot stance was getting out of hand.

Mines do to warpes shins. I've even had to argue with physical therapist that my feet are not ever going to go straight like a normal person, especially as if the are straight the inside-side of my feet tilt upwards, putting massive strain on my ankles.

 

[Yerda]

I think I've only experience anti-white hostility from white women. You know the type.

Does that count?

 

[John53]

Broadly, some definitions posit that racism is a prejudiced or discriminatory attitude against members of a certain racial group, while others stipulate that such attitudes need to be accompanied by race-based structural or institutional inequalities in order to qualify as racism.

I tend to lean toward the former definition for reasons whose details bear no relevance to this thread, but based on that definition, have you ever been a target of anti-white racism? If so, how often, and in what context or contexts?

I was refused service at a Korean restaurant but I found out later they catered to tour groups of Korean tourists. So I'm not sure if that counts.

 

[JustGeorge]

I was refused service at a Korean restaurant but I found out later they catered to tour groups of Korean tourists. So I'm not sure if that counts.

I had a friend who was told he couldn't buy freshly cooked food at the Asian market up the road. They said it was expired, but they were selling it to other [Asian] people.

In his case, I don't know if it was discrimination, or because he seemed to expect a medal for shopping there. I'd always been treated well there(well, save from one snarky cashier, but I think she was like that to everyone). I suspect it was a personal swipe in his case, and race was irrelevant. I couldn't test it, because all the freshly cooked food always had meat in it, and everyone else I knew was vegetarian.

 

[flowerpower]

Not that I'm aware of. Probably because I live in a state that is over 90% boring. Folks pick other things to be pointlessly mean to each other about.

Which state in particular?

I've heard the Midwestern USA is kind a drag. Sturdy folk but not exactly fireworks all the time.

I think I've only experience anti-white hostility from white women. You know the type.

Does that count?

Yes - I know exactly what you're talking about.

Self-hating white women. They hate white men too.

It's a thing.

A nasty ideologically-based thing.

 

[flowerpower]

I had a friend who was told he couldn't buy freshly cooked food at the Asian market up the road. They said it was expired, but they were selling it to other [Asian] people.

In his case, I don't know if it was discrimination, or because he seemed to expect a medal for shopping there. I'd always been treated well there(well, save from one snarky cashier, but I think she was like that to everyone). I suspect it was a personal swipe in his case, and race was irrelevant. I couldn't test it, because all the freshly cooked food always had meat in it, and everyone else I knew was vegetarian.

Clashes between western whites and Asian people can be absolutely baffling sometimes.

And it seems to rear its ugly head a lot more often than I would like to think it does. Lots of ugly seething happening on both sides of the fence.

 

[JustGeorge]

Clashes between western whites and Asian people can be absolutely baffling sometimes.

And it seems to rear its ugly head a lot more often than I would like to think it does. Lots of ugly seething happening on both sides of the fence.

In his case, he was often rude(and sometimes very rude) because of very poor social skills stemming from some undiagnosed mental illnesses.

I think I might have done the same if I were them.

 

[flowerpower]

In his case, he was often rude(and sometimes very rude) because of very poor social skills stemming from some undiagnosed mental illnesses.

I think I might have done the same if I were them.

Racism can be a strong contributing factor to mental health concerns.

I guess mental health concerns can be a strong contributing factor to racism too.

 

[Revoltingest]

Clashes between western whites and Asian people can be absolutely baffling sometimes.

And it seems to rear its ugly head a lot more often than I would like to think it does. Lots of ugly seething happening on both sides of the fence.

Wife's side of the family is Chinese.
When one understands a wee bit'o the language,
one finds that slights against non-Chinese are common.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think I've only experience anti-white hostility from white women. You know the type.

Does that count?

Don't forget about all the tattoos all over her body!

 

[Yerda]

Wife's side of the family is Chinese.
When one understands a wee bit'o the language,
one finds that slights against non-Chinese are common.

That reminded me of my ex-gfs family. They are Pakistani Muslims and they did not have a great deal of respect for white people in general. They were outright racist with me a few times. I don't think the fact I corrupted their daughter/sister helped.