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Yet further efforts have been made to unite science and God

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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wellwisher

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See this: https://iai.tv/articles/consciousness-and-higher-spatial-dimensions-auid-2107?_auid=2020

The above article explains that a non-separation between consciousness and matter is effected by a higher dimension such as hyperspace.

Consciousness can be explained with basic principles of science that do not require extra dimensions.

Neurons are unique among all our cells in that they do not replicate, after a certain point early in life. We have the same ole neurons today, as when we were two years old. Skin cells replicate each day to provide new cells; defoliate. But neurons never reproduce again.

If neurons were to replicate, all the wiring, synapses and connective protein would need to be shed each cell cycle. We would forget what we learned, and have a clean slate with more neurons. Neurons are designed to retain their wiring and then build upon lifelong wiring. To do this they cannot replicate again.

Neuron expend about 90% of the metabolic energy pumping and exchanging sodium and potassium cations. This action concentrates potassium cations inside the neurons and sodium cations outside the neurons. When neuron fire, these ions reverse, mix and blend again. The Neuron then pumps and exchanges them again and again.

When these two cations concentrate on opposite sides of the membrane, the neuron is lowering cationic entropy. In other words, left to their own devices all soluble ions would prefer blend into a uniform solution since this maximizes entropy and the second law; maximum complexity. The neuron creates an entropic potential by segregating the ions; opposite the natural spontaneous direction. If this potential gets too high neurons will fire to lower this potential. It is like pushing a rock up an entropy potential hill, to the top, and then over and down.

The firing of the neuron and the mixing of the ions, results in the movement of sodium and potassium ions along large groupings of the neuron wiring. The second law; increase the entropy, is being expressed by flown of ion through the same matrix of wiring that stores our memories. The constant increase in entropy, increases complexity and thereby also evolves our memory. The complexity that forms in the neural wiring; axon, dendrites and synapses reflects the increase in global entropy; complexity, with the neuron constantly resetting the potential.

The analogy is a water fountain that sprays water upward to gain gravitational potential. At the top of the fountain the water stops for an instant; rest neuron, before it falls back. The descending water always looks the same yet always looks sort of different, as it works it way back to lower potential. Consciousness places us in that fountain to witness the fall back that is always the same, yet often different.

Computer memory works differently than neural memory. Neural memory; rest neuron, begins at high potential; top of the hill. If computer memory was designed to be high potential, it would spontaneously change in storage; chemical reactions to lower the potential would rewrite the memory.

Brain waves, which reflect neurons that have push up and over the hill. The consist flow of entropic potential is being lowered in a distributed way, allowing for integrated consciousness. This is not done with software but more like firmware. This is easier to model if you include water and hydrogen bonding. Consciousness is fluid which makes me think that consciousness is more in the water than in the organics. It is fluid reflection of what the organics and ions are doing, but not as structured, so it can also witness possible changes that may not add to the hardware.
 
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Ostronomos

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Consciousness can be explained with basic principles of science that do not require extra dimensions.

The hard problem requires at least four dimensions. Prepare to be amazed by something I wrote in the meditative state of the high.

The higher dimension contains the separation, effecting the non-separation

It goes on further, but that is all I can remember right now. I wrote that in 2007 at the age of 24.
 
Consciousness can be explained with basic principles of science that do not require extra dimensions.

Neurons are unique among all our cells in that they do not replicate, after a certain point early in life. We have the same ole neurons today, as when we were two years old. Skin cells replicate each day to provide new cells; defoliate. But neurons never reproduce again.

If neurons were to replicate, all the wiring, synapses and connective protein would need to be shed each cell cycle. We would forget what we learned, and have a clean slate with more neurons. Neurons are designed to retain their wiring and then build upon lifelong wiring. To do this they cannot replicate again.

Neuron expend about 90% of the metabolic energy pumping and exchanging sodium and potassium cations. This action concentrates potassium cations inside the neurons and sodium cations outside the neurons. When neuron fire, these ions reverse, mix and blend again. The Neuron then pumps and exchanges them again and again.

When these two cations concentrate on opposite sides of the membrane, the neuron is lowering cationic entropy. In other words, left to their own devices all soluble ions would prefer blend into a uniform solution since this maximizes entropy and the second law; maximum complexity. The neuron creates an entropic potential by segregating the ions; opposite the natural spontaneous direction. If this potential gets too high neurons will fire to lower this potential. It is like pushing a rock up an entropy potential hill, to the top, and then over and down.

The firing of the neuron and the mixing of the ions, results in the movement of sodium and potassium ions along large groupings of the neuron wiring. The second law; increase the entropy, is being expressed by flown of ion through the same matrix of wiring that stores our memories. The constant increase in entropy, increases complexity and thereby also evolves our memory. The complexity that forms in the neural wiring; axon, dendrites and synapses reflects the increase in global entropy; complexity, with the neuron constantly resetting the potential.

The analogy is a water fountain that sprays water upward to gain gravitational potential. At the top of the fountain the water stops for an instant; rest neuron, before it falls back. The descending water always looks the same yet always looks sort of different, as it works it way back to lower potential. Consciousness places us in that fountain to witness the fall back that is always the same, yet often different.

Computer memory works differently than neural memory. Neural memory; rest neuron, begins at high potential; top of the hill. If computer memory was designed to be high potential, it would spontaneously change in storage; chemical reactions to lower the potential would rewrite the memory.

Brain waves, which reflect neurons that have push up and over the hill. The consist flow of entropic potential is being lowered in a distributed way, allowing for integrated consciousness. This is not done with software but more like firmware. This is easier to model if you include water and hydrogen bonding. Consciousness is fluid which makes me think that consciousness is more in the water than in the organics. It is fluid reflection of what the organics and ions are doing, but not as structured, so it can also witness possible changes that may not add to the hardware.


It is not the simple as the explanation given above. The environment in the brain also shows the presence of cerebroside, as an example. The neurons are not independent cells that only receive signals from the stimuli throughout the nerves, but work in conjunction and dependency of the surrounding environment, lets say . cerebrosides, which by hydrolysis give a kind of fatty acid, sphingosine and sugars like galactose.Some of these practically becoming part of neurons.

The general explanation of the process can be given, that is right, but in order for trying to copy it, such won't be possible unless all the surrounding is prepared as well.

On the other hand, reviewing how the human body works, science and the God can get alone. The problem is not science and neither the God. The usual problem is the theories of science.
 

Balthazzar

Christian Evolutionist
Anyone know the chemical composition for consciousness? Also, is there a difference between awareness (values system aware) and being conscious of existing? Science and God reconciliation? As if it truly needs to be "reconciled".
 

paradox

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See this: Consciousness and higher spatial dimensions | Peter Sjöstedt-Hughes

The above article explains that a non-separation between consciousness and matter is effected by a higher dimension such as hyperspace.
Just another attempt at solving consciousness and mind-matter.

It distinguishes 2 kinds of space:
Thus we are led to posit the reality of twofold space: physical space and sentient space.

One problem is that in physical space things (matter) interact with each other, while sentient space is personal.
You can imagine what ever you want but you can't affect my consciousness or mental space, which means sentient space is personal and thus not reality.
Ex. you can imagine a car and I can imagine a road, but can you make your car drive on my road for us both to see? no.

I think consciousness is nothing else but biological phenomenon, a bunch of molecules forming a brain and chemicals which produces mental image,
thus only reality of mental image is that is it a product of brain which we neither fully understand nor use.
 
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