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Works of Alvars
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One of them was a female sanyasin. Pretty ironic, eh?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Another was a non-Hindu, or so I am informed. Someone like Kabir or Abdul Rahim Khan-e-Khanan.
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Andal was married to Lord Ranganathan. What irony is there in that? Women cannot receive moksha and they cannot take Sanyasatva.
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
Wow, I didn't realize that painting with wide brushstrokes about a Dharma that has Shaktism as one of its cornerstones could levy such a comment. First time for everything, eh?
Poeticus
| abhyAvartin |
And do what? Feed the troll? No, thanks!
That is exactly the case in our religion if any women is given Sanyasatva they should be immediately considered as prostitutes. Sanyasatva was not given to women. If a woman has to receive moksha she should be reborn as a male.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Well, at least Pleroma's Hinduism is like that. Normally, in Hinduism any virtuous man or woman is eligible for Moksha, irrespective even of the religion they follow. I do not know if Pleroma considers that Mother Kaushalya, Mother Sumitra, Mother Kaikeyi, Mother Devaki, and Mother Yashoda attained Moksha or not?
Could you enlighten me as to where this is mentioned?
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4. Now these (persons, though possessing dispassion, are not entitled to renunciation – a eunuch, a fallen man, a maimed person, women, a deaf person, a child, a dumb person, a
heretic, an informer, a student (who has not completed his study), a Vaikhanasa anchorite (belonging to a Vaishnava sect), an ardent Saivite (Haradvija), a salaried teacher, a man without prepuce and one without ritual fire. Even if they renounce the world they are not entitled to instruction in the great scriptural texts (such as 'That Thou Art')
- Sanyasa Upanishad
Period.
Makaranda
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These comments are insulting. Gargi and Maitreyi in the Shruti both get Brahma Vidya. Your comments go against the flow of necessity and disparage female swamis everywhere.
Yajnavalkya did not gave Sanyas for Maitreyi. He suggested her an alternative route to moksha. There is no Sanyas for women in Hinduism.
His is but one POV in Hinduism. He can quote scripture all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that his view is but one in a massive ocean of many.
Makaranda
Active Member
Regardless of whether or not Maitreyi got Sannyasa, she did get moksha from the knowledge imparted to her by her husband. So your claim that women must be born as a man in a future birth before they can get the knowledge is false. This is corroborated by Krishna when he says that anyone (even criminals)will get moksha if they turn to Him with full devotion.
Further, your views re:Sannyasa are antiquated. The rules of conduct are context based-that is, they change depending upon necessity and circumstances. In this age of Kali Yuga ,both men and women are allowed to renounce, otherwise the proliferation of self-knowledge will struggle even further than it is. In short, there needs to be as many people as possible to spread the knowledge against the great tide of ignorance and materialism, and so the rules are relaxed. My teacher is a female, and she is a monk. You may choose to call her a prostitute, and say she is illegitimate, but I would say it is your loss.
This isn't my view. That's adi shankars view. It's very strange thay advaitians are disagree with it. Anyway this is what Shankar says in his viveka chudamuni: " . For all beings a human birth is difficult to obtain, more so is a male body; rarer than that is Brahmanahood; rarer still is the attachment to the path of Vedic religion; higher than this is erudition in the scriptures; discrimination between the Self and not-Self, Realisation, and continuing in a state of identity with Brahman – these come next in order. (This kind of) Mukti (Liberation) is not to be attained except through the well-earned merits of a hundred crore of births.
Fireside_Hindu
Jai Lakshmi Maa
If anyone can explain to me how one brings their penis with them when heir bodies die, I'd be fascinated to hear it.
They are Sri Vaishnava saints that were able to see Narayana directly and interact with him. A couple verses from each saint were combined to form the beautiful Divya Prabhandham.
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Andal was a sanyasin?
Yep, Sri Thirumangai Alvar. He converted to Vaishnavism.
I didn't want such an auspicious thread to turn out like this. I'll just put my thoughts on this.
Women are eligible for Moksha. There should be no doubt about this. Lord Vishnu doesn't discriminate between men and women. Gaudiya Vaishnavism is probably the greatest Vaishnava sect that has women as a integral part of it.
That being said, I do not think that women (nor sudras) are eligible for Sanyaas. Sanyaas here doesn't mean mystic or a monk, but like an actual sanyasin, a person who actually did all the vows and rituals for sanyaas.
If a woman simply understands that she is the eternal servant of Shri and Narayana (Shriman Narayana), then Moksha is guaranteed. It does not matter if she hasn't read the Vedas or Gita. Divine knowledge will come to anyone who has surrendered to Shriman Narayana. No need for sanyaas to get divine knowledge.
Did Shiva take sanyaas? He's the greatest ascetic in Hinduism, and he gets divine knowledge every second. In Shaivism he is God himself, in Vaishnavism he is the greatest Vaishnava and teacher of Vaishnavism.
Women are eligible for Moksha. There should be no doubt about this. Lord Vishnu doesn't discriminate between men and women. Gaudiya Vaishnavism is probably the greatest Vaishnava sect that has women as a integral part of it.
That being said, I do not think that women (nor sudras) are eligible for Sanyaas. Sanyaas here doesn't mean mystic or a monk, but like an actual sanyasin, a person who actually did all the vows and rituals for sanyaas.
If a woman simply understands that she is the eternal servant of Shri and Narayana (Shriman Narayana), then Moksha is guaranteed. It does not matter if she hasn't read the Vedas or Gita. Divine knowledge will come to anyone who has surrendered to Shriman Narayana. No need for sanyaas to get divine knowledge.
Did Shiva take sanyaas? He's the greatest ascetic in Hinduism, and he gets divine knowledge every second. In Shaivism he is God himself, in Vaishnavism he is the greatest Vaishnava and teacher of Vaishnavism.
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Unless they don't think about women excessively, hey will surely bring