Nimos
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The only reasonable solution is to look at what these things tells us in correlation to the understanding we have about a current subject.That is correct, neither one of us can prove these things, so what do you think the solution is?
For instance, if a person make a claim that God is all good? we can look at what the verses say and see if they contradict our understanding of what good is. If we start to exclude verses left right and center then there is no basis for discussion as it would be one solely based on faith in a God without any source material.
Exactly, so it will at some point become a discussion about faith in relationship to the source material and not one about actual truth, the only truth we are talking about is in relation to the source material. Does the bible say this or does it say that.Nobody can prove anything about God. All we can do look at what was revealed in scriptures and decide if it rings true for us. It that point we decide to believe it is true or reject it.
You can't and it works both ways, religious people can't proof that God exists as well as atheists being unable to proof that he doesn't. The difference is that atheists do not make the claim, so we don't have to proof anything. Just as it would be unreasonable for me, to demand you to proof that big foot doesn't exist either, if you don't believe he does and therefore have never made such claim. So in the end its about faith when it comes to whether someone believe God exists or not. But what we can do is look at the bible and its stories, moral etc. and then have a discussion about what a potential God is and whether we think that the stories give us a basis of believing that one exists. But we will never come to a complete certainty regarding that.I do not know what you mean, when one uses faith as a way to obtain truth. If what the Bible is saying does not help you determine the truth as to whether God exists or not, how do you think you can determine the truth?
Lets try to look at something else and compare it.
For instance the multiverse theory, we know that the Big bang happened, so our source material is all the scientific material we have which shows this to be the case, but we have no clue how it is even possible for something like a Universe to expand like that. So someone say that its definitely because of a multiverse... which obviously make everyone wonder how on Earth that person reached that conclusion when we have no data or source material to proof it. So the difference is that the multiverse is thrown out there as a theory and a potential explanation and that's it, its nothing more than an idea, just as the simulation theory or God is.
Its not evidence, when we have no way to verify it. So it doesn't tell us whether its true or not.No, the Bible does not prove whether God exists or not, but the Bible is evidence that indicates whether God exists or not. Evidence is not the same as proof.
Evidence is if we imagine someone having been murdered in their house, and outside the house we find a person, which claim that they have never been in the house. We then go to the crime scene and find his fingerprints inside that house, this is evidence against his claim of never having been there and it proofs that he is telling a lie.
Its not the same as reading the bible and say that it is evidence for God, when we don't even know if he exists or not. Remember the bible is just a collection of books in the same way as someone might write a book about UFO encounters, its not evidence for UFOs, when we don't even know if they exists in the first place, and even the UFO book would have slightly more trustworthiness to it than the bible, as we might be able to interview people mentioned in the book. But even doing that, would just give us there testimony about what they saw, but no evidence for whether we ought to believe them or not.
So evidence is something you acquire to either support or don't support a given claim. And we have no way to gather evidence for or against the claim made in the bible.
Except we can look at what is physically possible and what we can dig out of the ground. For instance the Exodus story, which claim that a huge amount of soldiers were killed by the water, yet we would expect to find evidence of this somewhere. That such a huge amount of Jews wandered around in that area would also be likely to find evidence for, yet there are none. So these are evidence against those stories.
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