Why is the Luciferian DIR still considered a subset of the LHP here?

[crossfire]

Self-consciousness, higher intelligence, abstract thought, critical thinking, creative thought and will, independence of mind and will, all these things did not originate from the natural order of things as they are all antithetical to the non-thinking mindless mechanical order of the cosmos. Just because they exist within the natural order does not automatically say that they are of that order.

*nods*...and everything we think and perceive is processed through this subjective interface.

 

[1137]

Even if you have lost touch with reality? Now we are getting back to the realm of union again, no? Sure, your body's material workings might still be part of "the all," but your mind is off in la-la land if you lose touch with reality.

Losing touch with the objective world does not change the nature of the objective world itself, only the nature of your impact on it.

Here, lets say that right now we are all one with the all. Whether this is the quantum processes that create us or some mystical force, we are part of it, and it itself is absolutely everything. Whether the mind is aware of this or not changes nothing about the nature of the All, only the nature of how you act within it. One is fully capable of understanding and experiencing their place in the all ("union") and also embracing the perception of duality. This allows one both to experience unity as well as self initiation / deification / whatever.

Self-consciousness, higher intelligence, abstract thought, critical thinking, creative thought and will, independence of mind and will, all these things did not originate from the natural order of things as they are all antithetical to the non-thinking mindless mechanical order of the cosmos. Just because they exist within the natural order does not automatically say that they are of that order.

That which exists in the natural world is natural.

 

[Adramelek]

Also, don't get me wrong. I love nature I find it extremely beautiful and awe inspiring.

 

[1137]

@Adramelek , your signature quote from your holy text even says "I am within and beyond you".

 

[Adramelek]

It is through the Gift of Set, that I am able to perceive the beauty and magnificence of nature and the Universe. The glory of the sky-by-night in a dessert for instance.

 

[Adramelek]

From a metaphysical religious perspective, Set, the Prince of Darkness, indwells within me in essence, and who also is a Being unto It-Self.

 

[Adramelek]

"I am within and beyond you", is also a reflection of the Hermetic Magical statement - "As Above, So Below".

 

[Adramelek]

Also, in that statement First Part of the Word of Set, Set refers to himself as a Being beyond natural life and death.

 

[crossfire]

Losing touch with the objective world does not change the nature of the objective world itself, only the nature of your impact on it.

It might not change the nature of the objective world, but it certainly changes your subjective world!

Here, lets say that right now we are all one with the all. Whether this is the quantum processes that create us or some mystical force, we are part of it, and it itself is absolutely everything. Whether the mind is aware of this or not changes nothing about the nature of the All, only the nature of how you act within it. One is fully capable of understanding and experiencing their place in the all ("union") and also embracing the perception of duality. This allows one both to experience unity as well as self initiation / deification / whatever.

You do understand that "the all" is a concept created by your subjective mind, correct?

 

[1137]

It might not change the nature of the objective world, but it certainly changes your subjective world!

Very good!

You do understand that "the all" is a concept created by your subjective mind, correct?

I understand that I perceive it through my subjective mind, but that it certainly did not originate from my own mind.

 

[crossfire]

I understand that I perceive it through my subjective mind, but that it certainly did not originate from my own mind.

Ahh, so where does your conceptual thought originate, then?

 

[1137]

Ahh, so where does your conceptual thought originate, then?

I'm not sure what you're asking.

 

[crossfire]

I understand that I perceive it through my subjective mind, but that it certainly did not originate from my own mind.

Ahh, so where does your conceptual thought originate, then?

I'm not sure what you're asking.

I see the problem here. You meant that the objective universe did not originate from your mind. I'm saying that the concept of "The All" did indeed originate in your mind.

 

[1137]

I see the problem here. You meant that the objective universe did not originate from your mind. I'm saying that the concept of "The All" did indeed originate in your mind.

My interpretation yeah. It would simply be a lie to suggest I'm the original creator of the concept.

 

[ScottySatan]

I think the reason is apathy and/or lack of resources. Remember, it was recently voted out of this DIR section.

 

[1137]

I think the reason is apathy and/or lack of resources. Remember, it was recently voted out of this DIR section.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that. The name change poll won too actually.