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Why is President Bush still not charged with war crime?

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anyscientologist

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* Abu Ghraib's torture, death, sodomy, naked prisoners, electrodes.
For ever 'liberation's' - and the US Army's - image.

Gmelrod:
This was the action of a few soldiers who violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice (US Military Law) They have been court martialed for their crimes.

You are wrong Gmelroad: It was war criminal Donald Rumsfeld who ordered toruture. It was war criminal George W. Bush who signed torture as a policy of the USA police state and it is vicious criminal and war criminal Alberto Gonzalez who handled the legalesse of torture as a policy in the USA:

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We Reported 13 Months Ago Torture Came From Top
Mainstream media lags behind again as Reuters covers Karpinski's claims against Rumsfeld

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Saturday, November 25, 2006

The Reuters news agency has today reported on Former U.S. Army Brigadier General Janis Karpinski's assertions that outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. This is an issue we broke over a year ago but at the time it was the subject of a media blackout.

Karpinski, who ran the prison until early 2004, told Spanish newspaper El Pais that she saw a memorandum signed by Rumsfeld detailing the use of harsh interrogation methods.

"The handwritten signature was above his printed name and in the same handwriting in the margin was written: "Make sure this is accomplished"," she said.
"The methods consisted of making prisoners stand for long periods, sleep deprivation ... playing music at full volume, having to sit in uncomfortably ... Rumsfeld authorized these specific techniques."

http://infowars.net/articles/november2006/251106Karpinski.htm
 

anyscientologist

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Donald Rumsfeld's war crimes:

The Geneva Convention says prisoners of war should suffer "no physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion" to secure information.

"Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind," the document states.
In December 2002, before the invasion of Iraq, Rumsfeld personally approved a variety of torture techniques for detainees at Guantanamo. A PBS documentary highlighted a memo in which he had written: “I stand for 8-10 hours a day. Why is standing [by prisoners] limited to four hours?”

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These and other torture methods were made standard practice and transferred to the prisons in Iraq. The official US Army report listed all the abuses committed at the Abu Ghraib prison. These methods are standard use in the 'Copper Green' worldwide torture program.
a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;
b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;
d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;
e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;
f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;
g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.
h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.
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a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;
b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;
c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;
d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;
e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women’s underwear;
f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;
g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;
h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;
i. (S) Writing “I am a Rapest” (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;
j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee’s neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;
k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee; [Rape]
l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;
m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees (after detainees were beaten to death).
 

anyscientologist

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I say that US citizens are acomplices of Bush's and Rumsfeld war crimes because they pay taxes, taxes that end up financing the Bush administration atrocities and war crimes in Iraq. The problem is compounded because they can not stop just like that paying their taxes. So, what can they do? They can be aware of this war crimes of their president and start demanding a fair war crimes trial on him and his administration.

Greatcalgarian, sorry if I am "kidnaping" your post, but I found that Alex Jones and his team have made an excelent job of documenting the war crimes of Bush and his junta and as well give the reason why Bush has not been accused of war crimes in the USA. He, like Hitler, have made legislation to protect them against tryal for war crimes:


We Reported 13 Months Ago Torture Came From Top
Mainstream media lags behind again as Reuters covers Karpinski's claims against Rumsfeld
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Saturday, November 25, 2006
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Karpinski had previously admitted that rather than being an isolated incident under her command, the abuses were, "the result of conflicting orders and confused standards extending from the military commanders in Iraq all the way to the summit of civilian leadership in Washington." Spun as the actions of "a few bad apples," the Abu Ghraib torture program was sanctioned from the very top.
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A criminal investigation and prosecution of Rumsfeld, along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior U.S. civilian and military officers, is currently being sought in Germany for their alleged roles in abuses committed at Abu Ghraib prison and at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. Karpinski will be the star witness should it go to trial.
Along with Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Tenet, the other defendants in the case are Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone; former assistant attorney general Jay Bybee; former deputy assistant attorney general John Yoo; General Counsel for the Department of Defense William James Haynes II; and David S. Addington, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff. Senior military officers named in the filing are General Ricardo Sanchez, the former top Army official in Iraq; Gen. Geoffrey Miller, the former commander of Guantanamo; senior Iraq commander, Major General Walter Wojdakowski; and Col. Thomas Pappas, the one-time head of military intelligence at Abu Ghraib.

Germany was chosen for the court filing because German law provides "universal jurisdiction" allowing for the prosecution of war crimes and related offenses that take place anywhere in the world.
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"The orders came right from the top, filtered down from the secretary of defense, with the endorsement of the President, the Vice President, whatever advisors are surrounding them, filtered down through the Commanders in the field, these practices were not only endorsed, but were in use at Guantanamo bay and in locations in Afghanistan. And when General Miller visited Iraq he brought those techniques with him. And then he sent contract interrogators who had 'performed well' at Guantanamo Bay to Iraq as well."

So although the orders came from Rumsfeld's office they were approved by Bush and Cheney. Why should they be exempt from war crimes investigations?



George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are the war criminals who legalized torture worlwide, including sexual torture on children of USA citizens:


In 2005, Dick Cheney tried to amend Sen. John McCain's anti-torture bill to exempt the CIA. Bush wrote a "signing" statement to the bill, declaring that he is exempted from its provisions.

His declaration gives him authority above congressional law. His authority gives him the right to blame others for his misdeeds.
How long will this authority last?

Bush is also planning to abolish parts of the War Crimes Act of 1996 that makes it a felony to commit grave violations of the Geneva Conventions. He is systematically re-writing laws that could make him accountable for previous crimes against humanity.


Why is Bush nor charged with war crimes? Because of vicious criminal and torturer Alberto Gonzalez, USA police state Atorney General.




The War Crimes Act was little noticed until the disclosure of Alberto Gonzales's infamous 2002 "torture memo." Gonzales, then serving as presidential counsel, advised President Bush to declare that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to people the United States captured in Afghanistan. That, Gonzales wrote, "substantially reduced the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act."

Bush signed the memo and OK 'd torture, how is he exempt from the same treatment as Rumsfeld et al?

Karpinski also stated in 2005 that even though innocent detainees had been deemed of no further Intel use and were recommended to be released by their interrogators, the higher uppers read the riot act and started a pattern whereby no one was to be released and innocent people were kept locked up without trial or charges.
She went on to speak about the direct links to Bush himself:

"We can trace back now, through documents that were released through court order, back to the original document, the one that Alberto Gonzales reviewed and discussed with the President of the United States, a departure from the Geneva Convention. These are not prisoners, these are terrorists and these techniques will be more effective." She said.

The Geneva Convention says prisoners of war should suffer "no physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion" to secure information.

"Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind," the document states.
In December 2002, before the invasion of Iraq, Rumsfeld personally approved a variety of torture techniques for detainees at Guantanamo. A PBS documentary highlighted a memo in which he had written: "I stand for 8-10 hours a day. Why is standing [by prisoners] limited to four hours?"




 

anyscientologist

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Are you suggesting to charge US citizens on war crimes?:p

This is a case as with the Germans. Most of them were aware that Hitler was a crazy dictator, but acted not against him because they were afraid, and shurely they would have ended into a death camp if acting against the Fürer. They should have acted much early before.
 

anyscientologist

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I mean, the only thing you seem to be able to do now is not colaborating with the dictatorial regime, and demand that freedom be restored.
 

anyscientologist

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Even if I were to engabe in actions against the dictator, I would be spied by a program implemented in Mexico by the USA police state to spy on mexican telephones.

Now imagine the actions against Happy housewifes in the USA!
 

anyscientologist

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Exclusive: Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse

Just days after his resignation, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is about to face more repercussions for his involvement in the troubled wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. New legal documents, to be filed next week with Germany's top prosecutor, will seek a criminal investigation and prosecution of Rumsfeld, along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior U.S. civilian and military officers, for their alleged roles in abuses committed at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

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Germany was chosen for the court filing because German law provides "universal jurisdiction" allowing for the prosecution of war crimes and related offenses that take place anywhere in the world. Indeed, a similar, but narrower, legal action was brought in Germany in 2004, which also sought the prosecution of Rumsfeld. The case provoked an angry response from Pentagon, and Rumsfeld himself was reportedly upset. Rumsfeld's spokesman at the time, Lawrence DiRita, called the case a "a big, big problem." U.S. officials made clear the case could adversely impact U.S.-Germany relations, and Rumsfeld indicated he would not attend a major security conference in Munich, where he was scheduled to be the keynote speaker, unless Germany disposed of the case. The day before the conference, a German prosecutor announced he would not pursue the matter, saying there was no indication that U.S. authorities and courts would not deal with allegations in the complaint.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html
 

anyscientologist

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Universal jurisdiction

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Most recently, in November 2006, the German prosecutor's office received a complaint, invoking the principle of universal jurisdiction, against outgoing US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and various other members of the Bush Administration since they are potentially culpable, under the doctrine of command responsibility, for prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib, Bagram and Guantanamo Bay. A civil rights group in Germany has asked for the prosecution.[2] Rumsfeld and other high-ranking members of the Bush administration that are immune from prosecution within the US for these alleged human rights abuses in the United States due to a retroactive immunity granted by the 2006 Military Commissions Act, which rewrote the War Crimes Act.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_jurisdiction
 

anyscientologist

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* The uncounted numerous other secret prisons across Iraq.
Gmelrod:
If the are uncounted how do you know they are numerous. If they are secret how do you know they are there?

Boy! where do you say you study your PhD.

The 2003 War in Iraq
Further information: Iraq WarIn December 2005, ABC News reported that former agents claimed the CIA used waterboarding, along with five other "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques", against detainees held in the secret prisons.[46][47] Waterboarding is widely regarded as a form of torture, though there are reports that President Bush signed a secret "finding" that it is not, authorizing its use.

After a media and public outcry in Europe concerning headlines about "secret CIA prisons" in Poland and other US allies, the EU through its Committee on Legal Affairs investigated whether any of its members, especially Poland, the Czech Republic or Romania had any of these "secret CIA prisons." After an investigation by the EU Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights, the EU determined that it could not find any of these prisons. In fact, they could not prove if they had ever existed at all. To quote the report, "At this stage of the investigations, there is no formal, irrefutable evidence of the existence of secret CIA detention centres in Romania, Poland or any other country. Nevertheless, there are many indications from various sources which must be considered reliable, justifying the continuation of the analytical and investigative work."[48]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency
 

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