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Why don't they recommend building muscle when already obese ?

ronki23

Well-Known Member
I would have thought losing the fat later on would be easier with more muscle ?

When Dad died in December 2017 I started lifting weights in January 2018 as I had 3 months no exercise: I went from 115kg (255 pounds) to 119kg (264 pounds) in 4 months through weight training 60-75 minutes and swimming 15-25 minutes 3x a week. But I was only 70-80% as strong as I was when I was 90kg.

So I thought I'd get to 80-90kg before lifting weights

2019,2021 I have been swimming 30-50 minutes 3x a week
2020 I was walking almost 4 miles 5-6x a week
2022-present I've been swimming 4-5x a week for 20-30 minutes with 15-20 minutes steam/sauna

I got down to 102kg end of 2021 but now I'm 254 pounds again
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I would have thought losing the fat later on would be easier with more muscle ?

When Dad died in December 2017 I started lifting weights in January 2018 as I had 3 months no exercise: I went from 115kg (255 pounds) to 119kg (264 pounds) in 4 months through weight training 60-75 minutes and swimming 15-25 minutes 3x a week. But I was only 70-80% as strong as I was when I was 90kg.

So I thought I'd get to 80-90kg before lifting weights

2019,2021 I have been swimming 30-50 minutes 3x a week
2020 I was walking almost 4 miles 5-6x a week
2022-present I've been swimming 4-5x a week for 20-30 minutes with 15-20 minutes steam/sauna

I got down to 102kg end of 2021 but now I'm 254 pounds again
Keep in mind muscle is heavier than fat.

I wouldn't go by weight, but rather BMI.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Keep in mind muscle is heavier than fat.

I wouldn't go by weight, but rather BMI.

That system sux. Weight divided by height(squared). Just about very person with a good amount of muscle will have a high BMI...it will show them overweight.


For example...

When Arnold Schwarzenegger won Mr. Universe he weighed around 235 and was 6' 2".

That gave him a BMI of 30.3.

Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater
 
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Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
@ronki23 the more muscle you have the higher your metabolism is going to be, which means your body is going to be burning more calories, which means fewer calories are going to wind up as fat.

"Muscle doesn't burn fat directly, but having more muscle mass means you burn more calories at the same body weight than if you had less muscle mass. Muscle is metabolically active tissue that requires energy to maintain, where as fat tissue is not.Sep 21, 2022"
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
@ronki23 the more muscle you have the higher your metabolism is going to be, which means your body is going to be burning more calories, which means fewer calories are going to wind up as fat.

"Muscle doesn't burn fat directly, but having more muscle mass means you burn more calories at the same body weight than if you had less muscle mass. Muscle is metabolically active tissue that requires energy to maintain, where as fat tissue is not.Sep 21, 2022"

They say you should slim down before lifting weights. If you're obese anyway
 

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
I would think if a person's obese, any activity is better than none.

Are you doing any kind of exercise now, @ronki23 ?
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
I would think if a person's obese, any activity is better than none.

Are you doing any kind of exercise now, @ronki23 ?

Swimming 4-5x a week for 20-25 minutes.
Steam/sauna 4-5x a week for 20-25 minutes.

I prefer doing steam/sauna after swimming but it's switched off for 3 hours as its too expensive to run for the whole day so I have to do it before
 

Watchmen

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Premium Member
That system sux. Weight divided by height(squared). Just about very person with a good amount of muscle will have a high BMI...it will show them overweight.


For example...

When Arnold Schwarzenegger won Mr. Universe he weighed around 235 and was 6' 2".

That gave him a BMI of 30.3.

Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater
That’s a myth. Yes, it may be true for NFL players and Schwarzenegger, but most people with high BMIs are chubby/fat—they’re not simply “a person with a good amount of muscle.”
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
My theory is that being obese means you have less insulin when you're fat (hence fat diabetic people); the insulin is anabolic so a lack of it means you can't build as much muscle. Don't know how true that is
 

wellwisher

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I would have thought losing the fat later on would be easier with more muscle ?

When Dad died in December 2017 I started lifting weights in January 2018 as I had 3 months no exercise: I went from 115kg (255 pounds) to 119kg (264 pounds) in 4 months through weight training 60-75 minutes and swimming 15-25 minutes 3x a week. But I was only 70-80% as strong as I was when I was 90kg.

So I thought I'd get to 80-90kg before lifting weights

2019,2021 I have been swimming 30-50 minutes 3x a week
2020 I was walking almost 4 miles 5-6x a week
2022-present I've been swimming 4-5x a week for 20-30 minutes with 15-20 minutes steam/sauna

I got down to 102kg end of 2021 but now I'm 254 pounds again
Our body is mostly water. Fat and muscle interact with our body water in different ways. Fat is similar to oil and creates a surface tension affect with our body water. Females tend to have more body fat, with the global surface tension creating the more curved figure. Muscle has lower surface tension with the body's water. Fats tend to repel from the water to lower surface tension; fat deposits. This repulsion is useful for long term storage.

What was discovered is burning body fat is like trying to burn a log in a camp fire. A log will not catch fire very easy, unless you start with some kindling, to build up coals, so the log can heat up and catch. In the case of the human body, the best kindling for fat log burning, are sugars, which are water soluble and fat soluble. This can alter the water and fat surface tension and help can get the log burning.

Typically it may take 30 minutes to get the coals hot enough to burn the fat log; second wind. Eat an energy bar or two before you train. I tended to sweat most during the warm up stage, thereby lowering my body water. The extra calories gets the fire going and the loss of body water appears appeared to shifted the surface tension. There is a tendency to drink too much water. I used to train like a camel and do the opposite. The body learns to retain water. I could not even put on fat or body weight.

As far as strength conditioning, weight lifting is anaerobic. One will easily use up the oxygen in your muscles causing muscle fatigue. If you purposely train under anaerobic conditions; super set, your muscles will build up a chemical called creatine phosphate which can burn without oxygen. Super setting is where you rest only 30 seconds between exercises, so your blood oxygen cannot keep up. The body compensates under the stress with creatine phosphate. This non oxygen requiring energy source, gives you that extra strength, especially when the blood is oxygenated; sprinter from the starting blocks.

There is a tendency, today, to do aerobic training and depend on building up higher blood oxygen. But sometimes this does not allow one to create the need in the body, to build up significant creatine phosphate. When I was younger I liked being fit at all levels, and saw how too much distance running made me weaker. I was more of a sprinter, which was based on anaerobic and strength training. But during summers, I would do more aerobic and take it easier. It would more anaerobic the rest of the year.
 
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