Why do we kill animals if they attack us?

[DallasApple]

My dog inhales food too fast to notice.

LOL!!!!!!

Blue used to eat his morning food or evening food sometimes so fast he would throw UP!!!

SAVAGES!!!!!!! :bow:

Love

Dallas

 

[Reverend Rick]

One day we where at a chicken place, (the dog and me) and I ordered some boneless wings and potato wedges. I slipped him a tater and he ate the first one, after that, he slowed down to keep me honest.

You should see him inhale a roast beef sandwich. He eats his and then looks at me eating mine like, "you gonna give me some of yours?"

 

[DallasApple]

One day we where at a chicken place, (the dog and me) and I ordered some boneless wings and potato wedges. I slipped him a tater and he ate the first one, after that, he slowed down to keep me honest.

You should see him inhale a roast beef sandwich. He eats his and then looks at me eating mine like, "you gonna give me some of yours?"

I have a cat that will eat more than her weight in tuna.

Blue my Rottie would so ever gently(140 lbs of him) take a beef rib bone out of my hand as if my hand was porceline as to not break me and then go in a corner and swallow the damn thing whole like an alligator.

Mandy ..no we had to throw the bone because she wasnt concerned that a hand was in the mix..(scary)

One time (at band camp) we cooked a pork tenderloin on the grill..

We put it on top the stove when done to "settle" and went on with other business..came back the whole 5lb peice of meat was gone.Right off the plate.(in about 5 minutes)

You dont want to even hear how one time I bought a bunch of tomatos and peaches and other fruit I left on the kitchen table and then left Madny and Blue remembering they "dont eat vegetables) actually wasnt a thought in my mind.$30 worth of produce gone and only seeds and some skin and cores smeared in the carpet and two guilty dogs ..with sad eyes because they didnt feel so good....

Dogs!!!!!!:yes:

Love

Dallas

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Right .. I have to admit to not understanding that reply entirely myself. I am not a huge cat fan myself (only psychological after having gotten extremely ill from trying to save some sick kittens when I was younger), but I think it is adorable the way cats find my sister and make themselves at home with her. They, as well as their (gasps! pit bull *rolls eyes*) are not at all enslaved and are quite loving toward one another as well as toward all in the family.

I would like some of you would have never thought to have used the word "enslaved" for any of my animals.At least for sure not for my many dogs and cats I have owned over the years.I dont think slave owners are concerned with serving the needs of their slaves.My Rotties especially Mandy girl wouldn't even stay in a room for even a few seconds that I wasnt in.I even let them lay in the bed with me if I was lying down to watch t.v before bed and my husband hadnt joined me yet.

Maybe enslavement is too harsh a word, considering it's often not against the animal's will.

However, considering the relationship represents an obvious dominant side doling out rewards and punishment over a subjective side with little hope of escape, I think the comparison has some validity...

My point was that we have the greater control, and that the animal is still a predator.By inviting a predator into our homes, we risk the chance of them using their natural weapons to work with their natural instincts.

Is it fair that we punish them with death for that? In self-defense, sure. There are certainly some instances where the animal may need to put to death. But it is certainly not always the case.

I still say it's not a disassociation from reality to consider one's pet over some humans.

 

[IF_u_knew]

Maybe enslavement is too harsh a word, considering it's often not against the animal's will.

However, considering the relationship represents an obvious dominant side doling out rewards and punishment over a subjective side with little hope of escape, I think the comparison has some validity...

My point was that we have the greater control, and that the animal is still a predator.By inviting a predator into our homes, we risk the chance of them using their natural weapons to work with their natural instincts.

Is it fair that we punish them with death for that? In self-defense, sure. There are certainly some instances where the animal may need to put to death. But it is certainly not always the case.

I still say it's not a disassociation from reality to consider one's pet over some humans.

Okay! I understand what it is you were trying to get across and for the most part I agree.

As for punish with death, I don't consider death punishment and rather only the logical choice to be made when a pet shows they are naturally inclined more than most toward being aggressive. Not all pets react in ways that we consider positive when it comes to training.

It seems that many on here are unable to comprehend that animals do not have the awareness of life that we do.

Whilst we, like the animal, can obey as well from training, the fear of punishment for us can turn into understanding via the awareness of those around us .. for the animal it will not, not ever. They will not ever understand why it is they are being punished for harming a human ... and if they already have it in them to lash out in such ways, there is a good chance it could happen again. In most cases, it is far more humane than the alternatives to put the dog (WHO HAS NO AWARENESS OF LIFE ITSELF) down than it is to subject them to what might work for humans who do have awareness of life.

There was a case in the jungles of Africa where a male chimpanzee was stealing the villagers babies and viciously mauling them to death. It has been shown that chimpanzees have a sense of wonder (which is a form of awareness of life) .. but I doubt anyone on here knowing the details of this case would have argued with their decision to hunt down the chimp and shoot him despite that they are still uncertain what started this extreme behaviour in him.

Even there are humans that are naturally aggressive and when they kill w/out conscience, I do not take issue with putting them down too for the greater good of Life in general. In almost every species of animals there are those who are naturally inclined to being overly aggressive .... that death is part of life anyway makes it hard for me to understand why putting down anything (especially animals) that has shown already extremely aggressive behaviour is seen as a form of punishment rather than for what it REALLY is ... protecting the greater good of all.

It doesn't seem to me that it is retribution ... only it is what sometimes has to be done to protect the lives and well being of those who might be subjected to harm otherwise.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

I agree with you Hannah. In principle you are correct. Here in the real world, some folks do not deserve to own pets. They neglect them or abuse them. Once an animal is taken away from this terrible person, it may or may not be able to socialise with people in the future. It should be given time and love and eventually evaluated.

Me personally, I love my dog more than most humans I know. Some times I play rough with my dog, (he likes it). Some times he gets too excited and may bite me. I don't have a problem with that. I do worry about him playing rough with the grand kids however. I am smart enough to watch him carefully or isolate him from them when they visit.

I don't care if people want to own vicious dogs as long as they keep them under control. They should be responsible for their control at all times.

I will say this, if a vicious dog is attacking me and I cannot get away or a dog is attacking my family, it will be a dead dog in short order. This is the rules in my territory. If I am visiting some place and I am in the dogs territory, this is my mistake not the dogs.

Personally, I believe every dog should be forgiven once if possible. Everyone makes mistakes. You can't have a dog running around the neighborhood biting folks every day however.

For the most part I agree. I believe that many dogs should get a second chance. There are some dogs that viciously attack people that are just two aggressive to be handled safely. If an adult hurts a child they should be put away so civil society is safe. The same is true of an dog. One of my dogs came to me very aggressive. He is a 90 lb. dog he would fight with other dogs and bite me to dominate me. I worked with him for 6 months. Now he can be trusted with other dogs and people ( not cats he still kills them it takes him about 20 seconds ) There is a big difference between a dog that bites and one who trys to kill people. The fact is that that there are just to many dogs. Many people are just not responsible.

 

[DallasApple]

However, considering the relationship represents an obvious dominant side doling out rewards and punishment over a subjective side with little hope of escape, I think the comparison has some validity...

My point was that we have the greater control, and that the animal is still a predator.By inviting a predator into our homes, we risk the chance of them using their natural weapons to work with their natural instincts.

Yep Im dominant to an animal that can turn on me and kill me with its bare essentials.There is no "littlel hope of escape" either not with my animals because they did not want to "escape" in the first place and if they did they could have mauled and attacked me at any time and left.I trusted my dogs and they trusted me..



Love

Dallas

 

[Malleus_de_Philosophia]

What are the reasons someone would love their pet as much as, and even in some cases, more than their own family members and human beings? I am not knocking the good feelings that one will indoubtedly get from their animal and in fact, there (in the reason behind the "good feelings") is why I even said what I did in the first place. I understand it goes off topic and so, not a big deal as you have clearly shown how you react to such views ... just saying.

The reasons I have are mostly due to the interactions I've had with animals, specifically dogs growing up as a child. This is more of a philosophical (or was meant to be anyways) thread so giving my personal stories aren't really philosophical but it's the main reasoning I have so I'll give it to you although I'll summarize it in a few sentences. When I was growing up as a child, here is how it went: my mother would come home very late, around 10 pm, sometimes not at all due to her traveling because of her work, sometimes weeks at a time. My father would do the same although not as much traveling, he worked long hours. The person who was at home with my was my grandmother who was going blind, not so great hearing, didn't speak all that great of English and due to mobility issues, couldn't do a lot (although she was an amazing cook). Anyways, the "thing" I had was a dog whom I could play with, cuddle with and do pretty much everything I wanted to do with a good friend (I had friends but due to other reasons that will make this very long they never came over to where I lived with the exception of a few although we had a falling-out around that time). So really, all it was, was a dog and myself, and I cared for the dog as much as I could at that age, and feared that if someone were to take him away, then I would be back at being miserable and having damn near nothing. We weren't poor, we were actually pretty wealthy although as I mentioned, there were other reasons I'm not going to mention.

Anyways, so to me, dogs are special as it's all I had and to this day, that's why I love dogs. I agree with what you said about them being intelligent but maybe not to the point of wondering what's out in the universe.

Animals do not have the same rights as humans.

True. In some respects as odd as it may seem, I respect that and I'm not a person whose advocating that dogs and other animals should have the same rights but rather that the mistreatment is unnecessary.

In the case of the baby being mauled by the dog, I am not sure if it was the same case I followed last year ... but it was quite depressing to me that more ppl were upset the dog was being put to death than they were upset that a baby girl had been viciously killed. PPL were too focused on defending the animal that they seemed oblivious to the fact that a defenseless child was killed and in a HORRIFIC way .. no one who had anything to say on it really mourned the loss of the child and only mourned the dog <---- *that* is what I don't understand. I am glad they put the dog down no matter the reason why he killed that baby girl. I would be lying to say otherwise. *that* is the kind of disconnect I was referring to.

I agree, it is odd. I guess it's in part because we see dogs as nice animals that we cuddle with and all, and our heart goes out when they get killed, although one would expect the same to an infant's horrible death and mutilation.

Ironic the lack of human decency complained of by those who would prefer the well being of a dog over another human life. That IS what I admit to not understanding here. It is weird to be accused of placing myself up on a pedestal for saying these things whilst those who would value the life of a dog over that of another human's well being are praised. :sad:

That's not why I said you put yourself on a pedestal. I said what I said because of your comment of those who share the opposite opinion are disconnected from reality, almost as a way of saying they're not mentally right. That is why I said it, not because of your opinion on dogs and other non-human animals.

As for those who are defending their animals to me, I am unsure why. I said that I myself have had dogs that were special to me. And indeed, it was nice that they obeyed my commands, offered me protection, and even gave me affection whenever I desired it. It is truth, that we can not (or at least we should not) manipulate humans in such ways ... thus, I am not arguing pets here. My appreciation for animals though does not take precedence over my respect for human life ...

Fair enough.

In cases such as the above, if it means so much to someone that a dog who killed a child was put to death, then perhaps some of you might want to carry out more of a selfless love for the animals and advocate them being allowed to live more naturally on the planet rather than domesticated for our pleasure (<--- because that IS what pets are for .. our pleasure) ... ???? ... then, the situation would have been altogether avoided.

True, although historically dogs had other uses other than being our companion, such as Newfoundland Retrievers/Labradors (big dogs, around 160 lbs as adults) were used and currently are used for water rescues. Their use for water rescues continues to this day although some people own them simply as a pet, which is in part for our pleasure both for having the dog and for having a dog that would be scheduled to be put down due to not being adopted in a certain time.

 

[IF_u_knew]

Malleus_de_Philosophia, well everything that you have shared with me, I can understand. My own very first dog was EXTREMELY special to me and indeed, in my eyes, a gift of God. Even just the other day before seeing this thread, one who knows quite well the background story of us (the dog and myself), brought her up saying they wished they could find such a connection as they are looking for a pet to take in. I can relate on a very deep level to the story in which you shared in regards to your own relationship with your dog.

I will not ever forget the day she died ... in my arms, in fact. It was indeed something that is even now difficult to share. She was a VERY good dog, but I can say with certainty that had she ever shown natural tendencies toward being overly aggressive to others, I WOULD have agreed to put her down. Though I am VERY sensitive to suffering in general, I am even more so toward human suffering ... chalk that up to my being human myself I guess.

Thank you for sharing your experience as I do understand it.