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Why Conservatives & Liberals Must Vie for Power

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Burning Giraffe, Jun 28, 2008.

  1. Burning Giraffe

    Burning Giraffe New Member

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    Political philosophy in the United States has all but disappeared as a matter of theory, replaced instead by a national clamoring to get government to do our bidding in a kind of Democratic hysteria. There seems to be no solid principles upon which the US Government is kept in check by the people, who, in an attempt to keep with the times, find themselves desperate to keep their representatives in power in order to shape the direction of an ever growing federal authority. The people never stop to ask, by what right does the government continue to grow and regulate and tax every aspect of their lives. Instead, they consent out of either greed, fear, or ignorance, opting rather to use the hammer and chisel of federal power to define for themselves and their countrymen their rights and liberties as Americans.


    The United States was not founded as a Democracy, but as a Constitutional Republic, for the purpose of preserving the liberty of the people by subjecting Government to the rule of law. Yet, over the years the Constitution has been eroded by a nefarious national acceptance of Subjectivism and relativism with regards to the interpretation of nearly every Constitutional article. We hear the Constitution discussed as a “living, breathing document” as if our liberties and rights and protection from the Government is something that ought to be redefined with the times; as if freedom then somehow relied upon different principles than freedom now.


    In fact, there seems to be no tribute paid to the political principles of liberty as defined by the Constitution for the protection of individuals against the power of The State. Over the years, we’ve accepted that in times of national emergency or in the presence of social disharmony, that the government should have the authority to manufacture regulations to keep the country moving “forward” (however that subjective direction may be defined). As an alternative, we have become a people who have filled the intentional void of political power in the Constitution with Government. Whatever question arises that is undefined by the Constitution is assumed to be a political “no man’s land” for the federal government, to decide on the basis of popular opinion or the national good how the government should rule on these Constitutionally unaddressed questions; when, in fact, it was the purpose of the Constitution to limit the Federal Government’s power to those areas only prescribed to it through the Constitution.


    Our opposition to this political principle has been disastrous and it seems nearly impossible to imagine a day when the federal government would be held to solely to the powers enumerated to it specifically by the Constitution and prohibited to rule or legislate on matters left unaddressed. That which went unaddressed was supposed to be left up to the liberty of the people, who have, stupidly, deferred those liberties back to the government, sacrificing the only real political power they have. Now, finding ourselves dependent upon the good will and graces of our commanding Federal Establishment, we are all that much more desperate to control it. This is the cause for the great fear of our age, that our political rivals would control the Beast into which our government has evolved.
     
  2. Mathematician

    Mathematician Reason, and reason again

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    A smaller, tighter government with less taxation is precisely what most people want. Blaming democracy for the ills of contemporary society is pretty far-fetched, considering we're still largely based in republican ideals - our legislator, executive, and judiciary are removed from public scrutiny for years. I wouldn't necessarily call this beneficial. It dumbs down arguments into squabbles over people, and in the meantime policies nobody would support are passed beneath the rug: $100 billion subsidies for corporations, for one thing (on the federal level). If anything, I'd like to see more democracy.

    The constitution has always been interpreted subjectively. Federalists versus Anti-Federalists?




     
  3. LittlePinky82

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    Actually no. The US is not a Constitutional republic. We are a democratic republic. What does your post have to do with liberals vs conservatives?
     
  4. LittlePinky82

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    How do you know what "most people" want? Again we don't live in a democracy but a democratic republic. In a democratic republic there are laws that are set up to protect the minority.
     
  5. Burning Giraffe

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    Ummm, no. We are not a Democratic Republic. What the hell is that anyway? That's like a dog that's also a cat. A dog cat. It doesn't exist.

    just in case you don't believe me. Now, with regard to what the post has to do with liberals and conservatives, in case you didn't understand the direction of the post:

    The post established why liberals and conservatives fight each other so hard and hate each other so much, because they are vying for control of an unimaginably powerful weapon - The Government.
     
  6. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule Well-Known Member

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    And the point is?
     
  7. Burning Giraffe

    Burning Giraffe New Member

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    There is a serious problem with our citizens and with the government they have created.
     
  8. LittlePinky82

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    No we are a democratic republic. Definition from dictionary.com :

    Uh where in your post was there any mention of liberals and conservatives? I didn't see anything about liberals and conservatives. And what about the rest of us out here who aren't either? I guess we don't count right? :rolleyes:
     
  9. LittlePinky82

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    So find me a perfect system. Good luck!
     
  10. Burning Giraffe

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    We don't need a perfect system. We just need a good one. Ours started off pretty good, but has kind of fallen apart.
     
  11. Darkness

    Darkness Psychoanalyst/Marxist

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    I happen to believe that the Constitution is a living, breathing document. If the Constitution was not, then how could you justify the use of Amendments, most notably the Bill of Rights? I just love the hypocrisies of politicians like Ron Paul, when they hate laws they consider "unconstitutional," but then they want to amend the constitution to make their ideas constitutional. :rolleyes:

    Remember boys and girls, Ron Paul is a pseudo-Libertarian.
     
  12. LittlePinky82

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    Oh yeah. I guess it was good when only white men who owned land could vote and people owned other people as slaves and don't even think about a woman having any type of voice. Yeah...that's a good system. :rolleyes: I suggest you read "A People's History" by Howard Zinn. News flash: that system still exists. It didn't go anywhere. Things today are just more realistic with the said system than in the past.
     
  13. LittlePinky82

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    Last term my American government professor pointed out even the founding fathers believed the Constitution was a living and breathing document and they knew things would get added and amended as society changed and grew. Not even they expected things to always stay the same. LOL about Ron Paul. In the latest FISA disgusting "compromise" (which wasn't one at all if you read it and the Bush administration's response) Ron Paul didn't even bother to show up and vote!! He's too busy playing wonder boy hero. :rolleyes: He also doesn't believe in the separation of church and state which is clearly in the first amendment. Here's where he states it- The War on Religion by Rep. Ron Paul LOL what a joke.
     
  14. Darkness

    Darkness Psychoanalyst/Marxist

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    (1) Not promoting Christianity at the expense of other religions is not prejudice.
    (2) Most of the American-Left is religious.
    (3) The United States was founded on Enlightenment principles, not Christian values.
     
  15. NoahideHiker

    NoahideHiker Religious Headbanger

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    Nice post! I have become increasingly irritated by the shifting role in government. Also in what people view as "rights". A buddy of mine tried to argue that education and healthcare are a Constitutional right of the people and he tried to use the 9th Amendment of the Bill of Rights as proof. :thud:WTH? He is a wickedly smart guy too. LOL!

    How we got to the point where people view the Constitution as a list of goodies the government is supposed to give us is beyond me? The Constitution does not guarantee the government will give us what is found therein but simply says the government can't stand in our way of going out and getting them.

    One of my favorite quotes:

    "A government big enough to give you everything you need is a government big enough to take everything you have."

    -Ronald Reagan
     
  16. LittlePinky82

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    It's a human right. LOL you're quoting Ronald Reagan? What a joke that is! The same Reagan involved with Iran-Contra? Where was the big government quote then? :rolleyes:
     
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