Why Confess sins ??

[dan p]

Hi to all , and Jesus died to put away sins and that we have an Advocate with the Father , Jesus Christ the righteous .

But Paul says that we have been Forgiven You All Trespasses , in Col 2:13 !!

So , if we have been forgiven all us all trespasses , WHY do we have to confess sin ??

I believe that there is a difference between having been forgiven all Past , Present and Future SIN , and the Sins of the Old Nature !!

Jesus can ONLY die once for Sin as He said on the cross " it is finish " which is in the Greek Perfect Tense and that means He will only die once !!

The Perfect tense means Jesus died Once in time Past with Continuing Results through the Present !!

dan p

 

[Thief]

Hi to all , and Jesus died to put away sins and that we have an Advocate with the Father , Jesus Christ the righteous .

But Paul says that we have been Forgiven You All Trespasses , in Col 2:13 !!

So , if we have been forgiven all us all trespasses , WHY do we have to confess sin ??

I believe that there is a difference between having been forgiven all Past , Present and Future SIN , and the Sins of the Old Nature !!

Jesus can ONLY die once for Sin as He said on the cross " it is finish " which is in the Greek Perfect Tense and that means He will only die once !!

The Perfect tense means Jesus died Once in time Past with Continuing Results through the Present !!

dan p

I gave up the practice at an early age.

I stopped because the practice does not remove the memory, or the consequence.

And of course, passing on into the next life....we go naked.
The angels will be able to see through us...one and all....
As if we are made of glass.

All that was done in secret shall be made known.

Confession, in this world...will take this away?.....nay.

 

[Shermana]

What do you suppose Paul meant by "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling"?

I'm assuming by your statement you are interpreting it to be OSAS (once saved always saved).

So do you believe a "believer" is thus free to murder, rape, steal, defraud, covet, commit adultery, worship idols, practice witchcraft and such and he is thus forgiven without having to confess and repent? It seems that such a mentality is scarily common among the mainstream "Christians"....

Basically your interpretation involves snipping out and negating virtually everything Jesus actually taught.

 

[dan p]

What do you suppose Paul meant by "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling"?

I'm assuming by your statement you are interpreting it to be OSAS (once saved always saved).

So do you believe a "believer" is thus free to murder, rape, steal, defraud, covet, commit adultery, worship idols, practice witchcraft and such and he is thus forgiven without having to confess and repent? It seems that such a mentality is scarily common among the mainstream "Christians"....

Basically your interpretation involves snipping out and negating virtually everything Jesus actually taught.

Hi and OSAS is proven by many other verse , like Eph 2:8 , where saved is in the Greek Perfecr tense , Passive voice and a Participle .

Jesus never taught when He sent out Paul with the message of Grace , nor is there proof that Jesus preached what Paul was sent to preach !!

Do you have a verse of proof ??

The 12 apostles preached Repentance with Water Baptism !!

Paul was NOT sent to baptize as 1 Cor 1:17 Illustrates .

Jesus paid for sins Past , Present and Future .

Sins of the flesh are different and Paul deals with them in his letters !!

We have a New Nature and still have the old nature that all of us have to deal with each day .

At the BEMA Seat , salvation is not the Issue , BUT WORKS , 1 Cor 3:10-17 , dan p

 

[km1141]

In 1 John 1: 8-10 It goes on to say: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

 

[Shermana]

Hi and OSAS is proven by many other verse , like Eph 2:8 , where saved is in the Greek Perfecr tense , Passive voice and a Participle .

Jesus never taught when He sent out Paul with the message of Grace , nor is there proof that Jesus preached what Paul was sent to preach !!

Do you have a verse of proof ??

The 12 apostles preached Repentance with Water Baptism !!

Paul was NOT sent to baptize as 1 Cor 1:17 Illustrates .

Jesus paid for sins Past , Present and Future .

Sins of the flesh are different and Paul deals with them in his letters !!

We have a New Nature and still have the old nature that all of us have to deal with each day .

At the BEMA Seat , salvation is not the Issue , BUT WORKS , 1 Cor 3:10-17 , dan p

I should say here that Ephesians is considered by most scholars to not have been by Paul. It seems that the Lawless doctrines are all based on spurious books and passages strangely. Can you justify your belief without using any Pauline epistles and going by what Jesus says or are you prepared to admit that your view involves completely brushing off everything Jesus says about conditional behavior. Why does Jesus say that one must "Strive" to enter the narrow gate? Why does Jesus tell his own disciples to avoid doing anything that will cast them into the fire, and to even chop off their hands and feet if that's what it takes? Why does Jesus even bother teaching anything in the first place?

As for a proof verse, see the above post.

 

[dan p]

I should say here that Ephesians is considered by most scholars to not have been by Paul. It seems that the Lawless doctrines are all based on spurious books and passages strangely. Can you justify your belief without using any Pauline epistles and going by what Jesus says or are you prepared to admit that your view involves completely brushing off everything Jesus says about conditional behavior. Why does Jesus say that one must "Strive" to enter the narrow gate? Why does Jesus tell his own disciples to avoid doing anything that will cast them into the fire, and to even chop off their hands and feet if that's what it takes? Why does Jesus even bother teaching anything in the first place?

As for a proof verse, see the above post.

Hi , and Jesus came for many reasons and Rom 15:8 , where Jesus Christ HAD BECOME a servant of the Circumcision for God's truth , in order to make secure the Promises of the father's .

By the way , HAD BECOME is in the Greek Perfect tense and that means when Jesus came to make secure those Promises is the Past Action of the Perfect tense and that will Continue on into the Present of the world .

Salvation is of the Jews , so when did God turn to the Gentiles ??

Acts 9:15 , Acts 13:46-47 , Acts 18:6 and Acts 28:28 and by sending a new apostle that was only preaching Grace and not Law , dan p

 

[obi one]

Hi to all , and Jesus died to put away sins and that we have an Advocate with the Father , Jesus Christ the righteous .

But Paul says that we have been Forgiven You All Trespasses , in Col 2:13 !!

So , if we have been forgiven all us all trespasses , WHY do we have to confess sin ??

I believe that there is a difference between having been forgiven all Past , Present and Future SIN , and the Sins of the Old Nature !!

Jesus can ONLY die once for Sin as He said on the cross " it is finish " which is in the Greek Perfect Tense and that means He will only die once !!

The Perfect tense means Jesus died Once in time Past with Continuing Results through the Present !!

dan p

It seems that as the Pope is to the Roman church, Paul is to Dan p, and Paul speaks for God, so says Paul and his followers. Everyone is entitled to their conceptions of truth, and they have a right to voice them under the U.S. constitution, including Dan p. Now if Dan p is correct concerning his present state of sinlessness, then he wouldn't have to pay health insurance, for he would have no health problems, being Yeshua healed by forgiving sins.
Unfortunately, most people sin, either in ignorance, or on purpose, and suffer health problems. For those who have entered into the Kingdom of God, should they sin by means of ignorance, there is always the possiblity that they connect with a child of God who has the power to forgive and heal them, whereas for Dan p, who is apparently under Paul's gospel of Grace, no confession or forgiveness is necessary, for his sins, present, past, and future have been forgiven, and he must be a picture of health. Proverbs 14:12

 

[dan p]

It seems that as the Pope is to the Roman church, Paul is to Dan p, and Paul speaks for God, so says Paul and his followers. Everyone is entitled to their conceptions of truth, and they have a right to voice them under the U.S. constitution, including Dan p. Now if Dan p is correct concerning his present state of sinlessness, 12

Hi . and I do noot believe in Sinlessness , which you have assumed and no where in the bible is it taught , so you are thinking of another dan p !!

See , 1 Cor 3:9-17 , and verse 17 says that we all sin , but you will never escape punishment , dan p

 

[obi one]

Hi . and I do noot believe in Sinlessness , which you have assumed and no where in the bible is it taught , so you are thinking of another dan p !!

See , 1 Cor 3:9-17 , and verse 17 says that we all sin , but you will never escape punishment , dan p

Dan p apparently espouses the view that those under grace have been forgiven their for their sins, past ,preent and future.. If your sins are forgiven, then you are no longer stained by that sin and in the eyes of God sinless. Of course the punishment for sin is death, and if dan p can not escape his punishment, then what good is his gospel of grace. Proverbs 14:12 Isaiah 3:12

 

[dan p]

Dan p apparently espouses the view that those under grace have been forgiven their for their sins, past ,preent and future.. If your sins are forgiven, then you are no longer stained by that sin and in the eyes of God sinless. Of course the punishment for sin is death, and if dan p can not escape his punishment, then what good is his gospel of grace. Proverbs 14:12 Isaiah 3:12

Hi , and Col 2:13 , says that " having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSESS ""

DAN P

 

[Shermana]

Have you read the rest of 1 John?

7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

Friends don't let friends Cherry pick.

And then there's Hebrews 10:26.

According to this scripture-twisted idea, Jesus wasted his breath warning his followers to avoid doing things which will send them to the fire. Why even mention cutting off your hand if it causes you to sin? What's the point?

And not only that, you have 1 John 2:1 completely wrong.

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One

That doesn't say at all what you are saying. All it says is that Jesus acts as your advocate if you slip up, and presumably repent in context to 1:9 which has nothing to do with "fellowship", what would "fellowship" even imply? It doesn't mean he can win your case for you. The whole point of 1 John 2:1 is warning believers to not sin, but also telling them that they still at least have Jesus as their advocate...and I would imagine that unless you repent of your "lawlessness", no amount of lawyering will save you. Unless you believe a Saved Christian can murder, rape, steal, defraud, lie, etc which seems to have been quite the common historic Christian mentality.

 

[Shermana]

Groan. Next verse then. Look at 1 John 2:2. Where is your human understanding? Bottom line. Col 1:12-14; 3:14 and other passages teach the forgiveness of sins - just as I referenced in the prior post.

Dr. O

And as I've pointed elsewhere, none of those verses mean what you're saying they do whatsoever. You are reading into them something that's simply not there and out of context. Are you saying that a murderous Christian does not have to repent and that he's saved no matter what? Looks like it.