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Who Was Yashu'a / Jesus / Isa Father ?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by TehuTi, Mar 12, 2007.

  1. TehuTi

    TehuTi Active Member

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    Just What Does '' Came In Unto Her ' Means ? Well . We Will Have To Search God's Words , The Bible And See , And This Exact Phrase Is Mentioned Only Twice In The Bible In This Exact Form . One In The New Testament In The Book Of Luke 1 ; 28 , One Of The Four Synoptic Gospels Chosen Out Of The Many , Reavealed 56 - 58 . A .D. At Caesare . TheAuther Being Called Lucanus Or Latin Lucas , Luciene , From Latin Lucere '' To Shine '' . Lux Gen . From Lucis '' Light '' Lucidas ' Full 'Of Light Clear , Bright '' Lucerna '' Light , Lamp . Bear In MindThat The Language These Original Disciple And Companions Spoke Was Not Greek , But The Same As The Old Testament Language . So The Phrase WouldBe The Same As TheOld Testament But Only Translated Into The Greek And The Latin Which Could Make This Confusing . Why I Want To Point That OutRight Here . The Language Would Be The Same. As We Proceed ,


    You Will See Why The Language Are Important . Now . The Second Place This Phrase ''' Came In Unto Her '' Is Mentioned , Is The Old Testament Genesis 38 ; 18 . What Is Important About That Is Genesis The Book Of Genealogy And Creations And Births . Being The First Of The 5 Books Of Moses . JesusIs Often Identified Through This Line With HisVery Blood And Seed . Being Called Of The Seed Of David John 7 ; 42 . What Does All This Have To Do With This One Phrase And Why Is So Important ? Because It Will Tell You What Physical Being Had Intercourse With Mary To Bring About The Birth Of The Son Of God . You See When You LQQk At The Greek Translation Of Luke 1 ; 28 '' And The Angel Came Into Her ... It Is Translated As ..


    CAME IN ; < Greel >>> eiserchomai .. ice - er '. khom - ahee
    ( 1 ) . To Go Out Or Come In ; To Enter . 2a 1) To Arise , Come Into Existence Begin To Be . 2a3 ) To Come Into Life
    UNTO ; < Greek > pros pros
    ( 1 ) To The Advantage Of . 2 ) At . Near . By . 3 ) To . Towards . With . With Regard To
    HER ; < Greek > Autos , ow - tos '
    ( 1 ) Himself . Herself , Themself , Itself , 2 ) He . She , It , 3 ) The Same .
    The Greek Word ice-er'khom - ahee . Means '' To Go Out Or Come In . To Enter '' .
    LQQk At The Last Definition '' To Enter '' If You Added This Translation To The Phrase '' Came In Unto Her '' You Would Get '' Entered Into Her '' And That's The Greek . But Before We Go Any Further We Have To Go Back To The Original Language We Go Into Genesis 16 ; 4 '' And He Went In ( bo ) Unto Hagar , And She Conceived ; And When She Saw That She Had Conceived ,


    Notice The Exact Same Words Being Used Only In The Original Language Of The Bible . My Point Is '' Unto Her '' In Both Place , You Get The Same Meaning That Some Being Standing There '' Went Or Come Or Entered '' Into Her '' And If In The Case Of Genesis 16 ; 4 . Abraham '' Went In Unto ''Hagar , And She Conceived '' The Hebrew Word There Is Haw - raw '' Conceived , Woman , With Child , Bear , Progenitor , Impregnate '' The Act Of Abraham Going In Unto Hagar Resulted In Childbirth . The Phrase '' Enter Her '' Would Mean A Sexual Intercourse , And The Reason And They Call It The Immaculate Conception , Is Cleared Up By St . John Chapter 1 ; 13 . Where It States This Jesus Was Not Born Out Of The Lust Of Men . It Was A Clean Incident . Not A Pleasure Incident , A Divine Incident , An Immaculate Incident , The Quote Reads '' Which Were Born Not Of Blood Nor Of The Will Of Flesh Nor Of The Will Of Man But Of God . This


    Child Was Born In An Immaculate Conception Because The Angel Representing God In The Flesh Was Pure And Not Of This World . For Further Proof . That The Statement '' In Unto Her '' Means A Sexual Intercourse Is Found In Genesis 38 ; 8 , Where '' Judah Said Unto Onan , Go In Unto Thy Brother Wife And Marry Her And Raise Up Seed To Thy Brother . ;.,.. He Was Telling Him To Have A Sexual Intercourse With His Brother Wife To Have A Child And The Same Phrase Is Mentioned . Throughout The Bible , '' Went In Unto Her '' Simply Meant An Intercourse Sexually To Reproduce '' Am I Saying Mary Was Not A Virgin ? Had Mary Had An Intercourse With An Ordinary Man , She Would Be Classified Not A Virgin . Her Statement Is '' No Man Has Known Me '' And That She Has Been Chosen Above The Woman Of The World . She Was A Virgin Espoused To Joseph According To Luke 1 ; 27 , So She Was A Virgin When The Angel


    Came To Her . A Virgin Shall Conceive And Have A Child Doesn't Mean That After The Intercourse She Is Still A Virgin . It Meant That TheWoman That Would Bear This Child Would Be A Virgin . Not A Woman Who Had Already Had Children . And That Whole Concept Was Borrowed From The Book Of Isaiah 7 ; 14
    '' Therefore The Yahweh ( Lord ) Himself Shall Give You A Sign , Behold , A Virgin
    ( al-maw ) Shall Conceive And Bear A Son And Shall Call His Name Emmanuel . The Word Almaw Doesn't Merely Mean Virgin In The Sense Of One Whose Hymen Has Not Been Broken , But Rather '' A Maid Or Newly Married Woman , A Damsel . '' And As You Can See , This Quote Is Not A Prophecy Of Jesus Christ If You Read The Whole Chapter , But A Wife That Isaiah Took Later And This Was A Sign To A King Ahaz Of Syria And Borrowed For The New Testament To Support Their Story . The Greek They Use In Matthew 1 ; 23 And I Quote '' Behold A Virgin Shall Be With A Child , And
     
  2. TehuTi

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    Shall Bring Forth A Son And They Shall Call His Name Emmanuel , Which Being Interpreted Is God With Us . The Greek Word For Virgin Here Is Par-than-os And The Definition They Give '' A Marriageable Maiden '' Means Eligible For Marriage , Because She Still Was Unconsummated . '' A Woman Who Has Never Had Sexual Intercourse With A Man . And You Can See From This Second Portion Of The Definition That The New Testament Intentionally Borrowed A Quote From Isaiah 7; 14, Added A New Definition To The Word Virgin , Which Was Almaw , Give Their Own Which Is Par -than - os , Just To Support Their Beliefs . Changing Word And Altering The Meanings Of God . Something That The Book Of Revelation 22 ;19 Warns Against , Because They Simply Fear The Facts And The Results .They Can't Explain These Happening So They Shroud Them In Terms Like Faith And Belief To Hide The Facts . That This Is No More Then A Re-make Of The Story Of The Immaculate Conception In Egipt Of Isis , The Virgin Whose Huband Osiris Was Killed Before


    She Had A Child , And An Angelic Being Khonsu Came To Her And Helped Her And She Later Conceived A Son Horus , Who Became Known As The Son Of God . This Was Recorded 10,500 Year Before Your Book Of Isaiah 7 ; 14 And Matthew 1 ; 23 . It Is Simply A Stolen Story . A Plagiarized Story Of Another Culture The Egiptians . And Being Re-taught To The Original Egiptians In The Form Of A New Religion Called Christianity . To Explain The Christian Fabricated Story . The Angel Gabriel Or The Holy Ghost Entered Mary And Over - Shadowed Her As Luke 1 Verse 35 , Mentions '' And The Angel Answered And Said Unto Her . The Holy Ghost Shall Come Upon Thee , And The Power Of The Highest Shall OverShadow Thee ; Therefore Also That Holy Thing Which Shall Be Born Of Thee Shall Be Called The Son Of God. '' The Greek Word Used For Come Is ep-er-khom-ahee , Meaning '' To Come Upon , Come On '' Which Means That The Holy Ghost Came Upon Or On Top Of Mary . For The Word Upon In Greek Is Epi - ep - ee . Meaning '' On , In , Unto , To Of Position , Upon '' . So Now We Have The Holy Ghost According To Luke1 ; 25 , Coming In Unto Mary In Luke 1 ; 28 ,


    And In Luke 1 ; 35 , The Holy Ghost Came Upon Her , And OverShadowed Her . Just What Does'' OverShadow '' Means ? Well , The BibleAccording To Luke1 ; 35 Tells Us '' OverShadowed . Which In Greek Is Ep - ee - skee - ad'' Means '' To Lay Upon To Envelope In Shadow '' Now That We Have The Whole '' To Lay Upon , To Envelope In A Shadow '' . NowThat We Have The Whole Picture , We Can Start Putting The Pieces Together . This Angel That Was Sent From God Came To Mary . Spoke To Her About Having Her Giving Birth To The Son Of God , And Then He Laid Upon Her Or Enveloped A Shadow Upon Her Because He Was Laying Upon , Thus His Shadow Was Upon Her . And Then Artificially Inseminated The Seed Of GodWhich Was ThePackage He CameTo Give Her According To Koran 19 ; 17 - 19 , And Inpregnated Her With The Child Of God Who Was To Be Called The Son Of God / Thehos Equivalent To The Hebrew Word Gods / Eloheem . So When Referring To Someone Having Sexual Intercourse And Coming In Unto Their Spouse


    The New Testament Using The Greek Word Ice -er - khom - ahee , Meaning '' To Go Or Come In , To Enter '' . If You Use One Of The Greek Versions To Enter , It Would Be '' To Enter Her '' . Not '' Come In Or Go In Unto Her . What Does The Old Testament Use?
    If You Go To The Old Testament In Genesis 38 ; 8 - 9 You Will Read '' And Judah Said Unto Onan , Go In Unto Thy Brother's Wife , And Marry Her , And Raise Up Seed To Thy Brother . And Onan Knew That The Seed Should Not Be His ; And It Came To Pass , When He Went In Unto His Brother's Wife , That He Spilled It On The Ground , Lest That He Should Give Seed To His Brother ''
    The Quote Above Uses The Hebrew Word Bo For '' Go In '' And For '' Went In '' . And They Are Making Reference To
     
  3. TehuTi

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    Onan . The Son Of Judah To Lay With His Bothers Wife ( Ish - Shaw ) And Marry Her . And Raise A Seed ( Zeh-rah ) By Her . To Compenensated For His Brothers Seed . HowEver , Onan Went In Unto Tamar . And Shaw -khath Meaning '' To Destroy . Corrupt . Ruin , Spoiled '' Spilled His Seed Or Semen On The Ground . This Is Definitly Speaking About Two People Having Sexual Intercourse . Genesis 38 ; 16 States ... And He Gave It Her , And Came In ( Bo ) Unto Her . And She Conceived By Hime '' This Story Is Speaking About Judah , Having Sexual Intercourse With The Harlot Tamar . And The Word Used For '' Came In Is Bo Meaning '' To Go In . Enter , Come . Go . Come In '' . These QuotesBelow Use The Same Word Bo Meaning '' To Go In . Enter , Come. Go . Comes In '' , Even To The Point Where The Wife Becomes Pregnant . So So It Is Obviously Speaking About Two People Having Sexual Intercourse .
    Genesis 16 ; 4 '' And he went in ( bo ) unto Hagar , and she conceived . and when she saw that she had conceived ...
    Genesis 29 ;23 '' And it came to pass in the evening . that he took Leah his daughter . and brought her to him ; and he went in unto her .
    Genesis 6 ; 4 '' There were giants in the earth in those days ; and also after that . when the sons of God came in ( bo ) unto the daughters of men , and they bare children to them .
    2Samuel 11 ; 4 '' And David sent messengers , and took her ; and she came in ( bo)
    unto him and he lay with her ;
    Esther 2 ; 14 '' In the evening she went , and on the morrow she returned into the second house of the women , to the custody of Shaadhgaz , the king's chamberlatin . which kept the concubines ; she came in ( bo ) unto the king no more, except theking delighted in her .
    What Does The Koran Use For The Word '' Came In Unto ? The Koran 19 ; 19 Uses The Word Ahaba Meaning '' To Give , Grant , Endow'' Koran 19 ; 19 ''' He said ; '' Nay , I am only a mesenger from thy Lord ( to announce ) to thee the gift of a holy son '' The Angel Gabriel Didn't Use The Word Atiy Meaning '' To Give . To Present , Or Hand Over '' . Nor Did He Use Ahdara Meaning '' Bringing '' The Arabic Word Used Again Was Ahaba Meaning '' To Give , To Grant , To


    Endow . Other Forms Of This Word Ahaba Is Wahaba '' To Give . Donate . To Grant , Accord , To Present '' Mawhiba '' Given . Granted . Gifted , Talented '' And . Waahib '' Giver . Donor '' Am I Telling You That The Greatest Story Ever Told Is A Lie ? Well , TheFact Is That The Very Staement The Greatest Story Tells You It's Just That . That's Why It's Often Called X-mas , A Ritual That Never Happened As They Said . This Is Why They Have Found Horus ' Body But Not Jesus ' . They Have Found Isis ' Body But Not Mary 's They Have Found Osiris ' Body But Not Joseph Or Jehovah , And They Will Tell You That's Because God Took Him Up . If God Took Jesus Up Bodily . Then Heaven Is A Material Place , A Physical Place , Not A Spiritual Place . And John 4 ; 24 , And Philippians 3 ; 3 Matched With Matthew 6 ; 9 Where It State '' our father who art in heaven '' . If God The Father Is In Heaven , Then God's Throne Is In Heaven Matthew 5 ;34 , And We AreTo Worship God In Spirit . And When Jesus Was On The Cross At Calvary . He Didn't Send His Body To


    Heaven . John 19 ; 30 Clearly States . From The Cross '' it is finished , and he bowed his head and gave up . the ghost '' or die . His head went down , his ghost or spirit went up . And Luke 23 ; 47 Supports The Word Spirit Being The Ghost Because It States '' and when Jesus had cried with a loud voice . he said father into thy hands I commend my spirit , and having said thus . he gave up the ghost '' So The God That Jesus Returned To As His Father . His Throne In Heaven Is A Spiritual Abode . So Which Is It ? Jesus Goes Up Bodily To A Physical Place Or Jesus Goes Up Ghostly John 19 ; 30 . To A Spiritual Place Or Like Earth ? Is It Both Like The Ancient Egiptian Taught ? So The Question Comes Up To You , Jesus Left His Body Here ? His Body Was Put In A Tomb . Someone Stole The Body As Mary Magdelene Put It . Then She Spoke With Jesus In The Garden And Discovered It Was Him John 20 ; 15 . Eight Days Later He Appeared In The Upper Room Hungry Ready To Eat John 20 ; 26 . Get Seen By The Disciples Bathe Naked John 21 ; 7 . All Of This Was The Crucifxion . Resurrected Spirit Do Not Have To Eat Meant John 21 ; 5 , Luke 24 ; 31 . Spirit Do Not Have To Show


    You Physical Wounds John 20 ; 25 . You Don't Have To Remove A Stone To Remove A Spirit ' Body Out Matthew 28 ; 2 . A Spirit Body Wouldn't Have To Disguise Himself As A Gardener John 20 ; 15. ARE YOU GETTING POINT ? You Have Been Fed Misinformation Intentionally To Keep You Away From The Truth , That All Of These Come Out Of Ancient Egipt About An Egiptian Deity Called The Son Of God Or Horus ;
     
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