prometheus11
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As worthwhile an idea as any to apply faith toward.
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Which existed first "something" or "nothing"?
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Again you are reifying a subjective experience.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Ahem....no....it is union with a higher level of consciousness....normal subject-object duality is not present during union...
God lover
Member
Something had existed forever in the past?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No, it's just a different state of mind, and I don't understand your need to reify such experiences and surround them with a load of pseudo-religious "mystical" language.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
But I do understand that you don't understand....explain what you mean by it being a reification?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Yes; God.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Self created. /in my belief/.
Some people think that G-d was not always existent, but was somehow created after the universe, if your interested.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Haha....but it is only abstract to your conceptual mind....you are misunderstanding the state of union as a reification....it is a case of casting pearls...
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No, I think you're the one who is misunderstanding. You so want it be something more that you're missing the beautiful ordinariness of such states, the sublime present moment.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
...oink...
God lover
Member
Thanks for your reply. I'm just mildly reading the endless debate.
God created after the Universe? God created? I can't understand what their defanition of God would be.
Self Created? That's interesting. I don't really know. It seems impossible to fathom the first things. Either physical or supernatural, I dont think it is possible to say how it began for any person.
I beleive in God. I think we must find God in the present moment.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I think that we can rule some things out, however, and also perhaps make some inferences from what we do know.
Hmm you could be right. That seems like a thread topic right there.
God lover
Member
I suppose you're right. What can we rule out?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
We have to rule out a non-''first'' cause or entity, /if theists/. We can rule out any beings not powerful enough to create the universe, /can't have a partially created universe, makes no sense/.
God lover
Member
I guess so. I'm gonna fall asleep. But for sure this is no accident. And I can't fathom it came from nothing or existed forever in the past.
But the real reason I beleive is the way God's love is so real. It's a beautiful way