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Proof means something is a proven fact.
It doesn’t appear that they were disappointed after His death once they saw Jesus alive and resurrected from the dead. On the contrary, they became emboldened with joy in sharing the good news about Jesus, dispute threats of persecution or death to themselves.
Condemned to self-destruction, everlasting separation from God the Creator and only Source of life, light, love, goodness, beauty, joy, peace, etc.
The whole chapter is entitled "God’s Promises to Zion".
The Gospel of Thomas, while not part of the Christian canon, has a closer connection to the source.
Thank you for the text but.... we have had thousands if not millions of people claiming to have revelations (all unproven) from God.
Eternal life is a state of the soul that is close to God. Nobody is condemned by God. That is Christian dogma.
The only response I have is what do you believe in yourself? Will you save you? I'm not saying I go to Jesus because I feel lost or confused I'm saying my belief came from my very own death and what I saw isent explainable. Your entitled to your own beliefs and your own desires and that's your choice but I lived something you never even came close to experiencing.
I lived something your far from ever experiencing it is real or an atheist like me would t be on a waste of time form
It's not about scribes or prophets I can't respond to you all but since you put so much effort into your post there was only one perfect man who ever walked the earth named Jesus Christ and he set an example about love and being humble not what the world is doing nowI agree, there’s no Messiah without the OT. Yes, the Jewish scribes wrote the OT books. That doesn’t mean some, even many Jewish religious leaders missed realizing Jesus Christ fulfilled prophecy. At the time Jesus lived many Jews were looking for a Messiah/political leader to deliver them from the tyranny of the Roman Empire and restore the nation of Israel… though maybe that wasn’t God’s plan or timing, at that point. Nevertheless, ALL the first followers and believers in Jesus Christ as the prophesied Messiah were Jewish.
“Isaiah 53 is a classic chapter portraying the life, death, and resurrection of Messiah. He would be despised by many (53:3), He would give his life for us and take our sins upon Himself (53:7), He would suffer (53:10) and be resurrected (53:10-12). Many Jewish people, when reading Isaiah 53 for the first time, have thought that these words must be from the New Testament, since they paint such a clear portrait of Yeshua. It is astonishing that these verses are in fact from the Hebrew Bible; they were written by Isaiah over 700 years before Yeshua was born!”
Fulfilled Prophecy as an Evangelistic Tool
God uses many ways to draw people to Himself through His Holy Spirit – and one of these ways is fulfilled prophecy. There are many prophecies in the...www.chosenpeople.com
We have had thousands if not millions of people claiming to have revelations from God, but we do not have anyone except Baha'u'llah who fulfilled the prophecies for the return of Christ as depicted in the book Thief in the Night by William Sears.
I'm not here to prove anything to you there was one perfect man who set an example for us and we are not good people on our own our intentions are to destroy other people's lives that's what the devil wants us to feel so you pick a side and you choose god gave you free will he didn't force you to believe
That is a matter of belief, not a matter of fact.
I don’t see the criteria for the Messiah as too many or too much. I believe Jesus has or will fulfill all prophetic prophecy referring to Messiah.
I agree, Jesus was the only perfect man who ever walked the earth and who demonstrated His love for humanity by laying down His life in payment for the sins of the world. Therefore, from my perspective He is the only Savior and worthy of my love forever.
How will Jesus fulfilled what has not been yet fulfilled if He is no more in the world?
Right, the world sees Jesus no more as in limited human form. The scriptures are are clear though that He returns in power and in His glorified form to rule and reign upon the earth from Jerusalem.
That is not what the verses say. There are no verses that say that Jesus will returns in power and in His glorified form to rule and reign upon the earth from Jerusalem. There are no verses tat say the same man Jesus is going to return, period. There are only verses where Jesus says that he is no more in the world and His work is finished here. (John 14:19, John 16:10, John 17:4, John 17:11, John 19:30)
Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
I have my own interpretation of that verse.
Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Your information is anecdotal at best. With only some 350.000 Messianic Jews in a population of almost 16 million Jews, they are clearly a fringe group of less than 3%. And as much as it serves your agenda to demonize mainstream Jews for logically having a problem with this fringe group that spits on the primary teachings of Judaism, it's a pretty weak argument. They're like to Westboro Baptist Church. Do you support their fringe doctrines as well? Do you support their claim that “God’s hatred is one of His holy attributes” - just because they use the bible to support it? Or is it possible that THEY are the ones that have misinterpreted?I don’t dispute that Isaiah 53 has application to the nation of Israel. Nevertheless, I think there are many OT passages which have dual application, especially in reference to the Messiah, that were or will be fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
And no, not all Jewish expert scholars disagree….
“There have been many great rabbis among the Jews who came to faith in Jesus. But you have probably never heard of them, since the Jewish community casts them out and slanders them as soon as it comes to light that they believe in Jesus. When these rabbis were a part of the Jewish community, they were considered righteous and well-respected, but as soon as their faith in Jesus the Messiah became known, they were despised and considered traitors; sinners, fools and gentiles. Here are just a few of them – if you thought that there are no rabbis who believe in Jesus, you are in for a surprise!
Have you, for example, ever heard of Rabbi Dr. Daniel Zion, Chief Rabbi of the Bulgarian Jewish community during the Holocaust? He took part in rescuing hundreds of Jews from the death camps, and helped them get to Israel and settle there after the war. But today, his name is almost unknown among Jews. Why?
The answer is simple, because Daniel Zion was a Rabbi who came to faith in Jesus the Messiah. In 1954 he was offered a very important position as a judge in the Rabbinic Court of Jerusalem, but it was under the condition that he keep his faith secret and not speak about it with anyone. Rabbi Zion documented his response: “I am willing to give up any type of worldly honor for my Messiah.” As soon as he said that, he was no longer considered a rabbi, but a gentile and a traitor. However, the Bulgarian Jewish community in Jaffa continued to accept him as the leader of their synagogue. Rabbi Daniel Zion died in 1979, at age 96, while standing strong in his faith and loyalty to Jesus.
If you had a chance to study modern history of the Far East, you might have heard of Schereschewsky. Schereschewsky founded a University in Shanghai, and translated the Old Testament into Chinese. You probably had no idea that his full name was Samuel Isaac Joseph Schereschewsky, and that he was born to an Jewish Orthodox family. He successfully completed his studies in the University of Breslau, and came to the conclusion that Jesus is the Messiah.
And what about Rabbi Stern, who was a rabbinic scholar, known for his sharp knowledge of the Talmud?”
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Exactly - the new age Christian definition of hell. So we essentially agree on the main message - "Worship me or suffer!" The verses contain both the Bribe, and the Threat.
And yet.... how many years or decades was it before any of them were moved enough to write one single word down about this Greatest Story Ever Told? How long would you have waited to put pen to papyrus?
People wedding to such silliness typically die waiting and ignorant.
