What, How, When, Where, and Why of Har-Magedon

[2ndpillar]

Knowing that the African tectonic plate grinds against the Arabian plate in its northern migration, and the fault line runs up through the Jordan valley and under the Mount of Olives which will be split in two when the Lord come to fight for his people; did such an event occur when Allenby fought his battle?

The battle of Meggido, with Allenby, was with reference to Daniel 2:34. The battle when Jerusalem is captured by all the nations is with respect to Daniel 2:35 and Zechariah 14. Two different battles at two different times.

 

[2ndpillar]

"The Lord of Armageddon

At Beersheba, the Light Horse had shown themselves to be superb cavalrymen. Now, at their own request, nine regiments were armed with swords and rushed through cavalry training. Then they waited, hidden among coastal orange and olive groves, while Allenby – like a brilliant chess player – prepared for his winning move.

Everything told the Turks he was getting ready to attack in the east. Empty camps and long lines of dummy horses were laid out in the Jordan Valley. Infantry marched down into the Valley each day – and marched out again each night. A Jerusalem hotel was taken over and set up as a fake headquarters.

Then, in September 1918, Allenby struck near the coast. He pounded the Turks with an artillery bombardment, broke their line with the infantry, and Chauvel sent his huge mounted force through the gap to sweep around behind the enemy.

The retreating Turks were further battered by aerial attacks. Dazed, bewildered, they streamed down from the Samarian Hills in their thousands.

In three days, 15000 prisoners were taken. Within the fortnight, three complete armies were smashed and there were 75000 prisoners.

“Banjo” paterson had brought horses up for the great drive. He described how captured Turkish soldiers who hadn’t eaten for three days, sat down silently to accept their fate. He commented: “Neither English nor Australian troops had any grudge against the Turks, and the captured ‘Jackos’ were given more food and more cigarettes than they had enjoyed during the whole war”.

The Turkish commander had refused to eat until his troops were fed. Said Paterson: “Even in his worn and shabby uniform he could have walked into any officer’s mess in the world and they would have stood up to make room for him”.

This crippling defeat was centred on the plain of Megiddo – the Biblical Armageddon where a last terrible battle would be fought on the Day of Judgement.

When Allenby was made a Lord, he took as his title Viscount Allenby of Megiddo. He was, literally, the Lord of Armageddon."
The Mounted Soldiers of Australia – Australian Light Horse Association

So, in summary, we already had the battle of Armageddon, and Australia won it.

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There was no Turkey. What you had was the Ottoman empire and German empire. Australia was one of many. A side note. The battles were mostly won by means of cavalry horses. The horses not mercy killed by their riders were left in the middle east.

Battle of Megiddo (1918) - Wikipedia

date 19–25 September 1918
Location Northern Palestine
Result Allied victory
Belligerents

British Empire

• 
  United Kingdom
• 
  British India
• 
  Australia
• 
  New Zealand
• South Africa

France
Kingdom of Hejaz

Ottoman Empire

 

[The Anointed]

The battle of Meggido, with Allenby, was with reference to Daniel 2:34. The battle when Jerusalem is captured by all the nations is with respect to Daniel 2:35 and Zechariah 14. Two different battles at two different times.

Not two battles at all. Daniel 2: 24-45; is a prophecy concerning the collapse of the world governing system when the stone [Christ] brings the old system to naught and establishes his new world government. Please refrain from attempting to read into scripture that which is not there.

 

[2ndpillar]

Not two battles at all. Daniel 2: 24-45; is a prophecy concerning the collapse of the world governing system when the stone [Christ] brings the old system to naught and establishes his new world government. Please refrain from attempting to read into scripture that which is not there.

You might want to stop and read the verses you are talking about. Daniel 2:34 is when the feet of iron(Rome) and clay (Edom) are crushed, which is in reference to Muslims and the Kaiser's German army/Caesar's armies are crushed in the battle of Meggido, which set up the Balfour Declaration, which allowed the Jews into Judea, such as restoring Judah (Joel 3:1). The shoe string Israel army also defeated the surrounding nations of clay and their Russian/Roman/iron allies in 6 days, and restored Jerusalem in 1967 (Joel 3:1). Daniel 2:35 is quite different. It is when the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time. That is when the stone becomes a great mountain. That has not happened as of yet and entails the all the nations being gathered against Jerusalem to capture it (Zechariah 14:1-3). That remains behind the door (Matthew 24:33).

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

There was no Turkey. What you had was the Ottoman empire and German empire. Australia was one of many. A side note. The battles were mostly won by means of cavalry horses. The horses not mercy killed by their riders were left in the middle east.

Battle of Megiddo (1918) - Wikipedia

date 19–25 September 1918
Location Northern Palestine
Result Allied victory
Belligerents

British Empire

• 
  United Kingdom
• 
  British India
• 
  Australia
• 
  New Zealand
• South Africa

France
Kingdom of Hejaz

Ottoman Empire

Don't presume to teach a former Australian cavalry soldier about the lighthorse campaign.

 

[2ndpillar]

Don't presume to teach a former Australian cavalry soldier about the lighthorse campaign.

You seem to neglect mentioning the contribution of the India, New Zealand, South African, and British troops when drinking your pint at the local pub. Fair is fair, having up as down, and down as up, must take a toll.

To be fair, it was Lawrence of Arabia and his Arabs who made a diversion which split the Ottoman troop strength at Meggido.

 

[The Anointed]

You seem to neglect mentioning the contribution of the India, New Zealand, South African, and British troops when drinking your pint at the local pub. Fair is fair, having up as down, and down as up, must take a toll.

To be fair, it was Lawrence of Arabia and his Arabs who made a diversion which split the Ottoman troop strength at Meggido.

And none of that has anything to do with the war to end all wars, which introduces the thousand years of Peace on the earth.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

You seem to neglect mentioning the contribution of the India, New Zealand, South African, and British troops when drinking your pint at the local pub. Fair is fair, having up as down, and down as up, must take a toll.

To be fair, it was Lawrence of Arabia and his Arabs who made a diversion which split the Ottoman troop strength at Meggido.

Pffft Lawrence of Arabia was a side show with good press. Sure, there were other imperial forces who helped, but Australia was the important bit. For our purposes here, New Zealand counts as Australia. There's this whole thing called the "ANZAC legend", New Zealand are the NZ part of it.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

And none of that has anything to do with the war to end all wars, which introduces the thousand years of Peace on the earth.

I initially read this as "thousand years of peace in Perth", which is most likely because Perth is closer to the Moon than the nearest city, and no one could be bothered sending an army there. Honestly, it's awful.

 

[The Anointed]

I initially read this as "thousand years of peace in Perth", which is most likely because Perth is closer to the Moon than the nearest city, and no one could be bothered sending an army there. Honestly, it's awful.

If I were to search for a kangaroo with feathers in Perth, where would I find you? Upper Swan perhaps?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If I were to search for a kangaroo with feathers in Perth, where would I find you? Upper Swan perhaps?

I'm in Brisbane. But I did spend enough time in in Swanbourne to know why no one would ever want to invade Perth.

 

[2ndpillar]

Pffft Lawrence of Arabia was a side show with good press. Sure, there were other imperial forces who helped, but Australia was the important bit. For our purposes here, New Zealand counts as Australia. There's this whole thing called the "ANZAC legend", New Zealand are the NZ part of it.

You don't seem to be much of a strategist. Lawrence and the Arabs broke the line of communications and rattled the Ottomans, taking away troops, whereas the British and Indian infantry broke through the Ottoman lines, and desert mounted corps rode through the breach. The use of creeping artillery barrages also was effective. Without all components, you would have had another Gallipoli. Your version of events does seem part of a "legend".

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

You don't seem to be much of a strategist. Lawrence and the Arabs broke the line of communications and rattled the Ottomans, taking away troops, whereas the British and Indian infantry broke through the Ottoman lines, and desert mounted corps rode through the breach. The use of creeping artillery barrages also was effective. Without all components, you would have had another Gallipoli. Your version of events does seem part of a "legend".

Nah. We single handedly captured Beersheba with The Charge, which allowed for the rolling up of the entire Turkish line, and eventual Turkish collapse, which led directly to Germany's capitulation. So, to summarise, the Australian Light Horse won the entire First World War.

I already acknowledged that other Imperial Forces may have helped. A bit. One or two New Zealanders may have been involved, I guess, maybe. If anyone could understand their ridiculous accents.

 

[The Anointed]

Nah. We single handedly captured Beersheba with The Charge, which allowed for the rolling up of the entire Turkish line, and eventual Turkish collapse, which led directly to Germany's capitulation. So, to summarise, the Australian Light Horse won the entire First World War.

I already acknowledged that other Imperial Forces may have helped. A bit. One or two New Zealanders may have been involved, I guess, maybe. If anyone could understand their ridiculous accents.

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If you are going to talk legends, then don't leave out the Scots.

I think Ogilvie wrote this, but I could be wrong.

The Highlanders in their brown kilts and bonnets bobbing as they advanced toward the battle behind the
Screeching, wailing scotch pipes, were given by the Germans the nickname, “The Ladies from Hell.”

The battle sways backward and forward
In wedges and hollows and curves,
A hard-pressed battalion is yielding,
A leader has called for reserves.
Hark ! Drone of the pipes in the distance
That grows to a soul-stirring swell !
Brown-skirted, with bonnets a-bobbing,
Come up the gay Ladies from Hell !

O brightly the sunlight is gleaming
On the blades that the rifles reveal.
The Ladies are wearing their jewels;
Hurrah ! for the glint of the steel !
O fiercely they swing to the music.
Their faces alight with its spell ;
Brave-hearted, bare-kneed and triumphant.
The lean- featured Ladies from Hell !

Our foes have made war upon women
By dastardly choice of their own.
The daughters of Belgium are weeping.
The mothers of Flanders make moan.
Ho! Slayers of maids and of mothers.
Do your bayonets serve you as well
When you're called up to stand in the open
And face the grim Ladies from Hell?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

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If you are going to talk legends, then don't leave out the Scots.

I think Ogilvie wrote this, but I could be wrong.

The Highlanders in their brown kilts and bonnets bobbing as they advanced toward the battle behind the
Screeching, wailing scotch pipes, were given by the Germans the nickname, “The Ladies from Hell.”

The battle sways backward and forward
In wedges and hollows and curves,
A hard-pressed battalion is yielding,
A leader has called for reserves.
Hark ! Drone of the pipes in the distance
That grows to a soul-stirring swell !
Brown-skirted, with bonnets a-bobbing,
Come up the gay Ladies from Hell !

O brightly the sunlight is gleaming
On the blades that the rifles reveal.
The Ladies are wearing their jewels;
Hurrah ! for the glint of the steel !
O fiercely they swing to the music.
Their faces alight with its spell ;
Brave-hearted, bare-kneed and triumphant.
The lean- featured Ladies from Hell !

Our foes have made war upon women
By dastardly choice of their own.
The daughters of Belgium are weeping.
The mothers of Flanders make moan.
Ho! Slayers of maids and of mothers.
Do your bayonets serve you as well
When you're called up to stand in the open
And face the grim Ladies from Hell?

Infantry? Meh. You should read more about the Last Great Cavalry Charge in History if you want "legendary". Battle of Beersheba (1917) - Wikipedia Particularly the bits about the 12th.

 

[The Anointed]

Infantry? Meh. You should read more about the Last Great Cavalry Charge in History if you want "legendary". Battle of Beersheba (1917) - Wikipedia Particularly the bits about the 12th.

Read it, read it, read it. And still, it has nothing to do with the war to end all wars, after which, the new world government will be established.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Read it, read it, read it. And still, it has nothing to do with the war to end all wars, after which, the new world government will be established.

Deny the facts all you like.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Lawrence and the Arabs broke the line of communications and rattled the Ottomans, taking away troops, whereas the British and Indian infantry broke through the Ottoman lines, and desert mounted corps rode through the breach. The use of creeping artillery barrages also was effective. Without all components, you would have had another Gallipoli.

It was bombing of the telephone exchanges that disrupted the Ottoman communications. The superiority in numbers and equiment made "another Gallipoli" almost impossible. The ANZAC cavalry's importance was that by leapfroging the Turks and cutting off their retreat, they turned a battlefield defeat into a total disaster, leading to the conquest of Syria and the Turkish surrender. The only thing that my Australian friend has omitted is any reference to another cavalryman, General Allenby: the greatest allied general in WWI, whose strategy of preliminary deception is still regarded as worthy of study.

 

[2ndpillar]

It was bombing of the telephone exchanges that disrupted the Ottoman communications. The superiority in numbers and equiment made "another Gallipoli" almost impossible. The ANZAC cavalry's importance was that by leapfroging the Turks and cutting off their retreat, they turned a battlefield defeat into a total disaster, leading to the conquest of Syria and the Turkish surrender. The only thing that my Australian friend has omitted is any reference to another cavalryman, General Allenby: the greatest allied general in WWI, whose strategy of preliminary deception is still regarded as worthy of study.

Military lines of communication are the routes which connect the military operation with the supply base. Line of communication - Wikipedia The Ottomans were cut off from supplies and were ultimately starving and ready to surrender. Allenby's 385 guns and the breaking of the Ottoman's lines with the British and Indian infantry opened up the opportunity for the cavalry to pour through the opening and do their work.

Opening attacks[edit]
On 16 September 1918, Arabs under T. E. Lawrence and Nuri as-Said began destroying railway lines around the vital rail centre of Daraa, at the junction of the Hedjaz Railway which supplied the Ottoman army at Amman and the Palestine Railway which supplied the Ottoman armies in Palestine.

 

[2ndpillar]

Infantry? Meh. You should read more about the Last Great Cavalry Charge in History if you want "legendary". Battle of Beersheba (1917) - Wikipedia Particularly the bits about the 12th.

The battle of Beersheba was an impressive cavalry engagement, but I think the circumstances for victory were set up by Jewish spies. Most of those horses were eventually shot or abandoned in Judea.