That pretty much sums it up, but it's such a shame seeing it paraded around as Judaism, especially since it so perfectly echoes the attitude of those who managed to render so much of the world Judenfrei.
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I'm not sure what you mean.
Terrywoodenpic
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The Israeli government is building up a very large number of enemies in the world. It is only the support of the USA that is protecting them..
They can not rely on that for ever.
No one wants to see another middle East war but it is a real possibility.
Israel has many friends besides the U.S. I will point out that the greatest protector of Israel isn’t the U.S., it is HaShem.
I must disagree with you when you write that no one wants to see another Middle East war, there are far too many that do. But it is Israel that has shown it does not. It has been other countries that attacked Israel in the past wars, not the other way around.
Imagine celebrating the establishment of a new settlement in occupied land--as the very title of the article explicitly states.
Absolutely shameful but quite unsurprising from overzealous supporters of Israel (and Trump).
And of course, the greatest enemy of Israel is Allah. Such equally impeccably provable statements, both of those.
I wish you conservative religious folks who believe in this "chosen"/"holy" land business realized how similar to each other you sounded even when being enemies.
I don’t look upon the followers of Islam as enemies. So you don’t really have a point.
Although Time magazine, presumably to appease certain factions, refers to Golan Heights as Israeli occupied, it isn’t. The Golan Heights are annexed territory of Israel. Syria attacked Israel in 1967. Syria lost that war and in the process lost sovereignty of the Golan Heights. Territorial loss by aggressors nations is a well established precedent and legally recognized internationally. The U.S. recognizes the Golan Heights as Israeli territory. The Golan Heights are Israeli territory, not “occupied”.
Terrywoodenpic
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that is not the way the former occupiers se it.
However when other states eventually occupy Israeli held lands you will agree that they have every right to them in international law.?
Your point is moot unless Israel attacks (is the aggressor nation) is some hypothetical future conflict. To date, it hasn’t been the aggressor nation in the many wars with its neighbors.
Syria attacked Israel in 1967. Israel prevailed against them and captured the Golan Heights. The United Nations charter recognizes that a country can acquire territory from an aggressor country.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
As both sides have been attacking each other since Israel was formed, it would not be possible to say which was the initiator.
Perhaps it should all revert to british control as Palestine and start over again.
How about it reverts to Canaanite control?
Terrywoodenpic
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Why would it? the Canaanites only lived on part of the land now called Israel.
Fine then. Revert it to all the ancient people that lived there.
Ironic, ain't it?
It is both possible and prudent to say who was the aggressor in those wars. Without understanding the historical context we can not find the way going forward. History is clear that Israel was not the aggressor nation in the wars of 1949, 1956, 1967 and 1973. Even the U.N., an organization demonstrably hostile to the State of Israel, doesn’t say it was the aggressor state.
History is also clear that the creation of Israel saw a lot of Arabs pushed off their land. It's clear that Israel is expansionist. It's clear present-day Israel has created an Arab ghetto in Gaza.
No-one is saying that Israel was the initial aggressor in these wars. That's not why the UN is hostile to it.
Pushed off, or did they run away, expecting to come back after the promised annihilation of Israel by the neighboring Arab countries? Because Israel extended a hand of peace to the local Arabs from its beginning.
It isn’t clear that Israel is expansionist at all. There have been multiple examples of when Israel had the opportunity to increase its territory and it did not, After the 1956 war it captured the Sinai. It returned it to Egypt after it was promised it would not be attacked again. But the Egyptians did attack again. And again Israel captured the Sinai. Which it kept only until Egypt made a real peace. Israel, again, gave up land, freely and willingly. Israel also removed thousands of residents of Gaza, residents that had lived there from before the time of independence, giving up territory to promote the possibility of peace. Repeatedly giving up land and territory are not the actions of an expansionist nation.