Video clip.. you should watch

[Tawn]

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/streaming/dbdoll.ram

Makes you think doesnt it?

 

[Tawn]

See how easy it is for someones beliefs to get the better of them... can we be sure that we arent under the same false pretenses? Us Atheists too?

 

[Montalban]

See how easy it is for someones beliefs to get the better of them... can we be sure that we arent under the same false pretenses? Us Atheists too?

Is atheism a belief?

 

[Tawn]

Is atheism a belief?

Yes it is a belief, but not a religion.

 

[meogi]

I don't consider normal forms of atheism to be under any 'false pretenses'... the lack of belief (generally) comes from lack of warrant for such belief. There is no rejection, and therefore no pretense.

That said, I question my lack of belief all the time... would I like to believe? Yes, of course. But that in turn ends up strengthening my belief that it would be unwarranted.

 

[Montalban]

I don't consider normal forms of atheism to be under any 'false pretenses'... the lack of belief (generally) comes from lack of warrant for such belief. There is no rejection, and therefore no pretense.

That said, I question my lack of belief all the time... would I like to believe? Yes, of course. But that in turn ends up strengthening my belief that it would be unwarranted.

What do you question about non-belief?

 

[ayani]

faith itself is a facinating thing. wonderful clip, Tawn.

surely believing in (or assuming) something that makes us feel good, as the video says, is a strong basis for continuing belief. is there anything wrong with a personally held belief being held on that basis?

 

[Montalban]

faith itself is a facinating thing. wonderful clip, Tawn.

surely believing in (or assuming) something that makes us feel good, as the video says, is a strong basis for continuing belief. is there anything wrong with a personally held belief being held on that basis?

Depends on if you can feel good at other people's expense.

 

[Majikthise]

The sheep say's, Baaaaaaahh!

Either that guy is really good or she is unimaginably gullible. :areyoucra
I'll bet he has no problems getting dates.

 

[ayani]

Depends on if you can feel good at other people's expense.

but surely not every belief is held at another's expense... how do you mean?

 

[Montalban]

but surely not every belief is held at another's expense... how do you mean?

This is true, but when you said

surely believing in (or assuming) something that makes us feel good, as the video says, is a strong basis for continuing belief. is there anything wrong with a personally held belief being held on that basis?

It seemed to me that you are suggesting that a rule of thumb be only that something feels good. IF something feels good AND is at someone else's expense, I hope you'd factor that in.

 

[meogi]

What do you question about non-belief?

would I like to believe? Yes, of course.

I always wonder if I should be believe in some supernatural forces... never has it led me to actually do so, however.

 

[Montalban]

I always wonder if I should be believe in some supernatural forces... never has it led me to actually do so, however.

What makes you even consider the question about super-natural forces?

What makes you think all the answers lie within the natural? Does this mean you believe science, for instance, can (possibly) answer all life's questions?

 

[michel]

That's the kind of clip that makes me so confused; my intellect tells me it's rigged, my heart wants it to be true.

It wasn't just hypnosis or suggestion - because the girl couldn't see him binding her legs; true, she saw the rest. I think that point more than anything else makes me think it's rigged.

 

[Tawn]

It wasn't just hypnosis or suggestion - because the girl couldn't see him binding her legs; true, she saw the rest. I think that point more than anything else makes me think it's rigged.

This guy has dont TONS of this stuff... he maintains he doesnt use stooges.. and considering the amount of things hes done it seems hard to believe he could keep all those people silent.

To answer your doubts.. although yes the girl cannot see the binding (I spotted that too) it seems somewhat obvious what hes going to do with the doll and the string dont you think??

If you want to see more go here:
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/video/

(particularily I'd like to know if you think this one is a set-up: http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/M/mindcontrol/streaming/suggestion.ram )

 

[Tawn]

faith itself is a facinating thing. wonderful clip, Tawn.

surely believing in (or assuming) something that makes us feel good, as the video says, is a strong basis for continuing belief. is there anything wrong with a personally held belief being held on that basis?

He also said it devalues the idea of truth. Which I agree with. If you are going to pursue beliefs which makes you happy - you should admit to yourself that you are abandoning the search for truth in favour of personal gratification.