US Redefines Rape

[Me Myself]

But then it most be true...

very little ago, a man and a woman both drunk could have sex, and if the woman wanted she could have charged the man for raping her because she was under influence of alcohol, even if he was under alcohol influence too.

Effff.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

I know, I know, there are even help groups for men who've been raped, but honestly I don't believe men can be raped by women. I once had a knock down drag out debate with a female radio show host over it on Myspace.

 

[Me Myself]

Ibut honestly I don't believe men can be raped by women.

In what way can´t we be rapd by women?

I mean, a female drugs you with something that relaxes your muscles to much to fight while giving you viagra (just in case) would be plain able to rape you, wouldn´t she?

 

[Heathen Hammer]

I honestly do not see how you can remain erect, much less achieve orgasm, with someone you harbor negative feelings [of that magnitude] for.

If you're drugged enough to be paralyzed, a la Dexter's needle, I don't see the orgasmic peristalsis action happening... much less the excitement necessary...

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Then again though, perhaps the ejaculation part is no longer legally necessary? Just having a temporary woody put somewhere?

 

[Me Myself]

I honestly do not see how you can remain erect, much less achieve orgasm, with someone you harbor negative feelings [of that magnitude] for.

Who cares about achieving orgasm?

Yuou have a girlfriend and want to remain faithful but you wake up and a hot woman has you tied up. You probably would have an natural erection (if not there is viagra) and the woman takes advantage of it.

Simple.

Orgasm in the victim is absolutely innecesary for rape. not even in the rapist is the orgasm needed for it to be rape.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Well, I also dismissed the orgasm part, but... again, I am not sure how an erection would be maintained by a man held against his will and also resistant [I mean, honestly resistant] to the actions.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Also I have never taken Viagra [well, truthfully, never more than a 1/4 piece but I didn't actually need it at the time in any case.... don't ask], so I am unaware if it can literally force you to have an erection. What is the actual function? Does the erection simply occur 'by magic' and cannot be reduced due to emotion or thought? Im curious.

 

[Me Myself]

Well, I also dismissed the orgasm part, but... again, I am not sure how an erection would be maintained by a man held against his will and also resistant [I mean, honestly resistant] to the actions.

Wouldn´t most men be erect in the action described above by me? I mean I would, probably most male friends I know. the woman IS hot, but you just don´t want to have sex.

I mean, just because you feel sexualy aroused doesn´t mean you give consent to the sexual act at all.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

No, I wouldn't be erect. Hot or not, if I objected in any way, there wouldn't be an erection.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

If you and your friends were erect, imo you wouldn't actually be feeling like you were being raped. You would be consenting, just loathe to admit that being tied up by a hot female stranger was exciting.

If this were a person you actively disliked? Really?

The more I dabble in this subject, the more I am forced to realize that I seem to possess greater penis control than all other mortal men.

BOW DOWN, MERE HUMANS.

 

[Me Myself]

No, I wouldn't be erect. Hot or not, if I objected in any way, there wouldn't be an erection.

let me tell you that your control over your circulatory system is probably on pair with that of buddhist monks, but definetely out of the league for most normal humans.

Once I had a friend very hot that was about to have sex with me... I told her no. She smiled saying I didn´t look serious. Naturaly, she wasn´t looking at my eyes then.

We still didn{t have sex. Why? because I didn{t wanted to have sex with her. That simple.

To most men, the penis erects when there is sexual arousal, completely without any importance if there is intent to have sex or not. Just because she was hot didn´t mean I was to betray my morals for it but it definetely meant that my body respondd to it. Just because I had made my mind that way, that didn´t mean I wasn´t aroused, or that blood wouldn´t flowwere it flows to most men when we are aroused.

edit: ah! the reason I didn{t wanted to have sex with her was because she had a boyfriend at the time.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

But see, I think the emotion of you actively needing to protect your morals, would be enough. With the girl, perhaps you were thinking about it, you simply felt gallant enough not to do so. Did you actively dislike her, hate her? I mean, it was a friend, so you most likely harbored secret sexual feeling for her. You already admit you grade her as 'hot' so, this was simply an honor decision. If all things were equal you would have hit that.

If you'd been kidnapped, you would not have the positive aspect of these feelings. IMO it seems you'd be able to resist.

An aside though, since you mention it, I do practice biofeedback, so perhaps that's my 'advantage'.

 

[Breathe]

I know, I know, there are even help groups for men who've been raped, but honestly I don't believe men can be raped by women. I once had a knock down drag out debate with a female radio show host over it on Myspace.

I know a man who was raped by a woman. Was hard on him, especially when some people don't think it's possible.

There's a fair few ways:

Blackmailed into it
With force -- we mustn't forget women can fight, too. One of my wife's best friends is a black belt in karate.
Coerced into it in some way
Being pinned down or bound in some way
Being drugged or having one's wits taken about them from alcohol or narcotics

As to maintaining an erection, truth is, it can happen. Erections and ejaculation are physiological responses; never woke up with morning wood, or had a nocturnal emission? Never got an erection in class as a kid just randomly pop up to say hello, or when in the car or on the bus? They happen, sometimes without reason.

Try asking your partner to see if she can get you erect while you watch something you really want to, like football or an awesome movie and do not concentrate on her (try not to look at her); most likely you'll get hard. Ideally if one objects, there wouldn't be an erection, but that's not always the case.

 

[Me Myself]

But see, I think the emotion of you actively needing to protect your morals, would be enough. With the girl, perhaps you were thinking about it, you simply felt gallant enough not to do so. Did you actively dislike her, hate her? I mean, it was a friend, so you most likely harbored secret sexual feeling for her. You already admit you grade her as 'hot' so, this was simply an honor decision. If all things were equal you would have hit that.

If you'd been kidnapped, you would not have the positive aspect of these feelings. IMO it seems you'd be able to resist.

Why not? What if she used cloroform and I woke up in her bed? do you think she wouldn{t still be my friend? do you think I would hate her?

No.

I am not saying that there is no part of the man that "wants" the sex, I am saying that is complitely irrelevant. It is about CHOICE, not emotional inclination.

And "resisting" is a terrble idea. I mean forbidden fruit? really?

And my atraction was never "secret". She is hot, I´ve told her that.

About "thinking about it", I just posted myself the question, as I do with most moral dillema. "no" was the immidiate answer. I believe in karma, and I won{t help my friend to have terrible karma. being cheated on hurts liike ****, and I know she is paying for a lot she did u_u . As a friend, I could have never contributed to that.

heck, I probably wouldn{t do it if she was a stranger and I knew she had a boyfriend, to the least because of the poor guy.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

I have morning wood because I had an arousing dream. And because I am a horn dog. Despite that though, I don't understand via a number of the examples given,that the feeling of actual threat - not simple objection, I am talking that you have actually been kidnapped, actually been drugged - then your erection would not be making any appearance.

Already Me_Myself you answered your own question: you did harbor attraction. That's why you were aroused. But if she actually took you prisoner I believe you would NOT look at her as a 'friend' any longer, from that moment. This would become an enemy, a dangerous enemy, and you would not be suffering from any stiffy.

Why not? What if she used chloroform and I woke up in her bed? do you think she wouldn{t still be my friend? do you think I would hate her?

Um, yeah dude, if she friggin chloroformed you?? You still want to be her friend?

To me that's psychologically very odd.

If someone kidnaps me, the moment I get free of my bonds, they are dead. I will kill them, without compunction.
I do not want to have sex with someone I need to kill.

 

[Breathe]

I have morning wood because I had an arousing dream. And because I am a horn dog. Despite that though, I don't understand via a number of the examples given,that the feeling of actual threat - not simple objection, I am talking that you have actually been kidnapped, actually been drugged - then your erection would not be making any appearance.

I've had erections for nothing. Randomly. I've woken up, without memory of dreams, with morning wood.
Still do occasionally. It thinks I'm still a teenager, I swear.

Truth is, most rapes happen by people they know.
Even then, it's just blood rushing to one's schlong; sexual attraction, even comfort, doesn't have to be there.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

You have dreams you don't remember, though.

 

[Me Myself]

Already Me_Myself you answered your own question: you did harbor attraction. That's why you were aroused. But if she actually took you prisoner I believe you would NOT look at her as a 'friend' any longer, from that moment. This would become an enemy, a dangerous enemy, and you would not be suffering from any stiffy.
Um, yeah dude, if she friggin chloroformed you?? You still want to be her friend?

To me that's psychologically very odd.

If someone kidnaps me, the moment I get free of my bonds, they are dead. I will kill them, without compunction.
I do not want to have sex with someone I need to kill.

Generaly I don´t think that black and white. It´s not like I would hang around with her again and I would probably talk about what happened so the appropiate authorities get her. That doesn´t mean I forget everything she is.

For starters, it is psychologically logical to be in a state of "disbelief" when someone does something completely out of character (or that you deem out of character to that person). This may very well be enough for any anger or general dislike to be at least at bay for a while.

Again, you are probably very different than most males (which is not bad, I am very rare too but on other things ), most males can very well have sex with a woman they hate as long as she is hot and they are very aroused from it.

In anycase, if you ignore this, it´s okay, I just gave you info, it is on you to accept it or not.

Truth is, pelvic warrior pretty much has a mind on its own to most men, and while there is a conection, it is too consiously weak to simply make him rest at will when it feels awaken (to most of us).

And again, viagra does exist.

 

[Me Myself]

I've had erections for nothing. Randomly. I've woken up, without memory of dreams, with morning wood.
Still do occasionally. It thinks I'm still a teenager, I swear.

Truth is, most rapes happen by people they know.
Even then, it's just blood rushing to one's schlong; sexual attraction, even comfort, doesn't have to be there.

that too