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US inflation rate at 8.3%, Dow Jones average drops over 1,200 points

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
NEW YORK -- The Dow Jones Industrial Average sank more than 1,250 points Tuesday, its steepest sell-off in more than two years, after a government report showed that inflation is maintaining a surprisingly strong grip on the U.S. economy.

The S&P 500 sank 4.3%, its biggest drop since June 2020. The Dow fell 3.9% and the Nasdaq composite closed 5.2% lower. The sell-off ended a four-day winning streak for the major stock indexes and erased an early rally in European markets.

Bond prices also fell sharply, sending their yields higher, after a report showed inflation decelerated only to 8.3% in August, instead of the 8.1% economists expected.

Markets shudder on dashed inflation hopes; Dow falls 1,250
Midterms....
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You mean, that as someone who lives in Europe I can't post 'facts'?
It would be nice if facts were posted.

I hear one excuse after another for inflation, not just Europe, but here in the states as well.

It's called passing the buck or blame.

It'd be nice to see solutions however.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
It would be nice if facts were posted.

I hear one excuse after another for inflation, not just Europe, but here in the states as well.

It's called passing the buck or blame.

It'd be nice to see solutions however.
Isn't it obvious when there are ultra-right wing governments, left wing governments and centrist governments that are all facing sky rocketing inflation at the moment that the reason is not government policy?

What do you think the reason is? A stolen election? A leaky wall? A box full of nuclear secrets?
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
The sell-off ended a four-day winning streak for the major stock indexes and erased an early rally in European markets.

One of the greatest reasons for not allowing any member of Congress to buy, sell, trade stocks while in office.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
It would be nice if facts were posted.

I hear one excuse after another for inflation, not just Europe, but here in the states as well.

It's called passing the buck or blame.

It'd be nice to see solutions however.
Well since you are complaining about inflation what would you do to stop it?
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The Fed is slamming on the breaks hard so that will change. And many other nations have it worse. There are many causes from the Ukraine-Russian war, China COVID lockdowns increases in the monkey supply and so forth.

I'm fully invested in TIPS and will put some cash into other inflation hedges but want the inflation rate down.

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What a fantastically misleading chart. The change of the inflation rates doesn’t correlate to anything significant. Israel currently has an inflation rate of 5.2%. Which is far lower than the 8.3% in the U.S. or the 8.9% in the Euro bloc. In other words the inflation rate in Israel went from a very low rate to a still lower rate, but because both numbers are smaller than the counterpart numbers in other countries its change was bigger.

Got anything else?
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
A global pandemic and a major war in Europe, no less, will always cause inflation. US economy is strongly coupled with European economy. So this is expected.
If you believe that and think U.S. inflation should be brought down, then you should support measures to make the U.S. less interdependent on global markets. You can start by supporting U.S. energy independence (which we had under Trump) through full on domestic oil production. This would include allowing drilling and moving forward with pipelines. You should also support re-shoring of manufacturing. This would include semiconductor manufacturing, auto production, etc. You should also support disruptive actions such as aggressive conversion to electric vehicles until inflation is under control.

By the way, the total U.S. commitment to the Ukraine for fighting its war has been just over $15 billion. How did $15 billion in spending cause 8.3% inflation in an economy with a size of $25,000,000,000,000?
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
This would include allowing drilling

As I understand it there are many leases to drill, but no interest in drilling.
As for the pipeline its purpose is to pipe Canadian oil through the US for export to other countries. Outside of a few temporary jobs the US really does not benefit from the pipeline. Trumps' support was for the big oil companies.

This would include semiconductor manufacturing

Already in the works, INTEL building a 2nd plant for that purpose.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Isn't it obvious when there are ultra-right wing governments, left wing governments and centrist governments that are all facing sky rocketing inflation at the moment that the reason is not government policy?

What do you think the reason is? A stolen election? A leaky wall? A box full of nuclear secrets?
The wanton destruction of people's businesses and livelihoods and supply chain problems and the following bailouts using the amazing fantastically stupendous endless money printing machine in a fiat economy.

Who didn't see that train wreck coming?

Oh.. the left.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
The wanton destruction of people's businesses and livelihoods and supply chain problems and the following bailouts using the amazing fantastically stupendous endless money printing machine in a fiat economy.

Who didn't see that train wreck coming?

Oh.. the left.
You spend yourself out of a recession ... read your history books
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
As I understand it there are many leases to drill, but no interest in drilling.
As for the pipeline its purpose is to pipe Canadian oil through the US for export to other countries. Outside of a few temporary jobs the US really does not benefit from the pipeline. Trumps' support was for the big oil companies.
Your understanding is sketchy. The Biden Administration has not allowed drilling in areas that actually have oil. Instead they offer leases on large areas that are known to not have oil. So they can misleadingly say “We’re allowing drilling.” Then pretending it is the fault of oil companies when they know it isn’t.

As for the pipeline it will produce many jobs, and permanent ones. Jobs at refineries with increased capacity and efficiency. And also jobs produced by lower fuel costs throughout the economy. Even more importantly it is better for the ecology. The simple fact is that using domestic supplies of oil produces less impact on the environment than using foreign oil. This isn’t about Trump. :rolleyes: It is about what is best for both the economy and the environment.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
To ignore the increasingly disastrous effects of climate change is to move in the wrong direction. The resulting suffering, economic loss due to disasters and loss of our position as a technical leader would be terrible. We need to stop making the growing mess worse and we need to keep up with developments from fusion breakthroughs, breakthrough battery tech and so forth.
 
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