Universal Body

[Fool]

Does the universe have a physical body and/or form?

 

[ChristineM]

Does the universe have a physical body and/or form?

Yes, its called the universe.

 

[Fool]

Yes, its called the universe.

What does the form look like?

 

[ChristineM]

What does the form look like?

A big volume with a hundred billion or so galaxies, each with about 2 or 3 or 4 hundred billion stars and a lot of space between. Other than that, it has volume so it must have form, but to ask what form it takes doesn't really make sense from the inside.

 

[The Hammer]

Does the universe have a physical body and/or form?

Of course the universe has a "Body" we are within it. What lies past that edge who knows.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Does the universe have a physical body and/or form?

It is called the universe body, so it seems to be a body of energy yes.

 

[Polymath257]

What does the form look like?

Why do you think a visual description is the most relevant?

We don't know the large scale shape of the universe (whether you want spatial cross sections of the whole four dimensional structure). But, locally, space seems to be very close to flat except for effects of gravity.

 

[Fool]

Of course the universe has a "Body" we are within it. What lies past that edge who knows.

And what is it's form?

 

[Polymath257]

And what is it's form?

What do you mean by the term 'form'? if you are using Aristotelian logic, you will have serious difficulty with modern science.

Are you expecting the shape of the universe to be three dimensional?

 

[Fool]

A big volume with a hundred billion or so galaxies, each with about 2 or 3 or 4 hundred billion stars and a lot of space between. Other than that, it has volume so it must have form, but to ask what form it takes doesn't really make sense from the inside.

so a form is only understood by something outside? Do you allow people to define, form your being?

 

[Polymath257]

so a form is only understood by something outside? Do you allow people to define, form your being?

Form is equivalent to shape. My shape changes over time. Others don't 'define' it.

 

[Fool]

What do you mean by the term 'form'? if you are using Aristotelian logic, you will have serious difficulty with modern science.

Are you expecting the shape of the universe to be three dimensional?

I have no expectations of a form. Quite the contrary in a dynamic state but still physical

 

[Polymath257]

I have no expectations of a form. Quite the contrary in a dynamic state but still physical

Well, there are a number of different characteristics that could be considered the 'form' of the universe. Topological properties, metric properties, whether you use three dimensional cross sections or the full four dimensional structure, etc.

 

[ChristineM]

so a form is only understood by something outside? Do you allow people to define, form your being?

People are not inside me.

Does a stomach microbe know the form of the body it inhabits?

If you were blindfolded and led into a small room in a large building the the blindfold removed and you were asked what form the building takes, could you honestly and accurately answer?

 

[Polymath257]

People are not inside me.

Does a stomach microbe know the form of the body it inhabits?

If you were blindfolded and led into a small room in a large building the the blindfold removed and you were asked what form the building takes, could you honestly and accurately answer?

To be fair, it *is* possible to determine aspects like topological or metric structure from 'inside' if you have free range. If not, it is considerably more difficult.

For the universe, we can only tell what things look like 'locally': within the nearest 13 billion light years or so, with some guesses past that.

 

[The Hammer]

And what is it's form?

Debatable.
What shape is the universe?

 

[Fool]

People are not inside me.

Does a stomach microbe know the form of the body it inhabits?

If you were blindfolded and led into a small room in a large building the the blindfold removed and you were asked what form the building takes, could you honestly and accurately answer?

Lol I never made any claim of people inside you but some carry parasites that alter their being.

 

[Fool]

To be fair, it *is* possible to determine aspects like topological or metric structure from 'inside' if you have free range. If not, it is considerably more difficult.

For the universe, we can only tell what things look like 'locally': within the nearest 13 billion light years or so, with some guesses past that.

that is only possible through contrast and the illusion of separateness

 

[ChristineM]

Lol I never made any claim of people inside you but some carry parasites that alter their being

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Ok thats my misreading, dyslexia does that sometimes, sorry

But do the parasites know what the form looks like? (Which is ehat you asked not can they alter the form)

 

[Fool]

Why do you think a visual description is the most relevant?

We don't know the large scale shape of the universe (whether you want spatial cross sections of the whole four dimensional structure). But, locally, space seems to be very close to flat except for effects of gravity.

Because we know there is a mind but it really doesn't have a firm but we know how it behaves