ayani, that's where my family and I disagree. I don't believe anyone is a "sinner" in the usual sense of the word. I don't believe anyone needed to die for me in order for me to be saved because that was never a danger. I believe God isn't afraid to talk to everyone and I don't need someone as a go between that is sinless. I am very comfortable with my relationship with God. I agree that we need to do less judging of others no matter who we are like you said. No one can know what the truth is so it makes sense to me that we allow each their own path that comforts them. Thank you for posting and helping me understand more fully the Christian perspective.
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Tired of being called a sinner?
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ayani
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well, i agree that nothing prevents God from guiding, helping, and protecting each person. and that nothing prevents us from believing in Him, coming to the awareness that He is real, and seeking Him.
the idea that we "need someone" to get to God strikes many as silly and unnecessary. we are convinced that by ourselves, we can get there, and know Him. yet as you've just stated, not one of us can know Him in the full sense, simply because... we don't know Him. He's God, and we are not. His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts.
yet there is Someone who does know Him personally, and can open up the road so that we might know Him more fully. Someone sent from God, and of Him, to show us what He is like, to speak His word to us, and through Himself show us to the God who made us. Someone who is One with God in a personal and meaningful sense, and has a living, eternal power to save and to rescue.
what eventually came to my mind was that it wasn't about what i thought about Him, or even what Christians said about Him that mattered. what mattered is who Christ is in God's eyes, and what that meant for me.
the idea that we "need someone" to get to God strikes many as silly and unnecessary. we are convinced that by ourselves, we can get there, and know Him. yet as you've just stated, not one of us can know Him in the full sense, simply because... we don't know Him. He's God, and we are not. His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts.
yet there is Someone who does know Him personally, and can open up the road so that we might know Him more fully. Someone sent from God, and of Him, to show us what He is like, to speak His word to us, and through Himself show us to the God who made us. Someone who is One with God in a personal and meaningful sense, and has a living, eternal power to save and to rescue.
what eventually came to my mind was that it wasn't about what i thought about Him, or even what Christians said about Him that mattered. what mattered is who Christ is in God's eyes, and what that meant for me.
Allfather
Troublemaker from Ulster
ayani said:
But if not one of us can know him, as you've stated, then how can we possibly know who Christ is in his eyes? Is this scriptural, and if so, is it how Christ is viewed in God's eyes, or man's? I don't mean to specifically debate the issue, this is something I've had trouble understanding myself.
As pertaining to the issue here (and I am not generalizing), many Christians will claim that they cannot know the true nature of God, but will still condemn a fellow man to hell based on assumption and feel they are validated in their judgment. I simply don't understand.
I had an interesting conversation with a neighbor of my birth mom at a gathering a couple years after I found them. She came up and introduced herself and proceeded to tell me that I should give my life to Jesus, that my mother would be so happy if she knew I was going to heaven etc. I just stood there and listened for about 10 minutes while she went on an on. At first it was out of shock that someone would do that. She had never met me but had decided what my beliefs were, that really blew me away. After awhile I decided to just let her ramble. At the end of it all I just looked at her and quietly asked her "how do you know I haven't already done that?" smiled and walked away. A while later she cornered me again and asked me what I had against religion. My answer was a bit longer that time... I found out I could be polite even when more than a little angry
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
All I can tell you..is you WILL burn in hell.I will live in a castle while you fry.
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Dallas
Now Dallas, that's one of the reasons why I love Dallas!!!All I can tell you..is you WILL burn in hell.I will live in a castle while you fry.
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Dallas
Seriously though, I do like the heat and I've always found castles cold and drafty
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Now Dallas, that's one of the reasons why I love Dallas!!!
YEAH???
Well how about if I get to throw hot burning bricks at your head!!! In my air conditioned castle!! Hmmm..How would you like that! :candle:
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Dallas
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
By the way..whats WRONG with you?? Did the devil get in you??
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Dallas
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Dallas
I guess so. I only turned my back for a second, I swear:yes:
lunamoth
Will to love
Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it!!
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
WELL!! I think before we die!! We should hang her on a steak and BURN HER!!..Isnt that the LEAST we could do??Maybe she will sign a confession!
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Dallas
Love
Dallas
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
FETCH the matches!!!
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Dallas
Love
Dallas
lunamoth
Will to love
If we throw her in a pool and she drowns, then she's not a sinner.
At least I think I've got that right.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
YES!!!
Tie boulders around her legs FIRST..to make sure she goes under the water..Yes??:candle:
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DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Lets see...If she SWIMS with rocks around her legs she is WICKED.... If she dies and drowns she is innocent..
Thats fair ..right?
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DAllas
Thats fair ..right?
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DAllas
lunamoth
Will to love
lunamoth
Will to love
I would also like to point out that Dallas was being much meaner that I was.
I think she has been at the boiled goat juice again.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Real people did this to real women in real life..
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Get your garlic..and send some my way..I LOVE garlic.Kick it UP a notch!
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Dallas