Things as Information

[Fool]

If all the information about a thing could be captured; including both the experiential and composition, then could that thing be recreated. basically reverse engineered, or reverse engineering of a personality?


palingenesis?

 

[Thief]

If all the information about a thing could be captured; including both the experiential and composition, then could that thing be recreated. basically reverse engineered, or reverse engineering of a personality?


palingenesis?

sneaking a thread about resurrection are you?

 

[Thief]

ok...so having a taste for science fiction....

I have seen scenario after another about bringing life to a form long dead
(Jurassic Park)

and many more about spirit shifting between one incarnation to another

but when it comes to digging up this corpse and restoring my flesh.....
not so sure that would be ideal

and Who would bother?

 

[ChristineM]

If all the information about a thing could be captured; including both the experiential and composition, then could that thing be recreated. basically reverse engineered, or reverse engineering of a personality?


palingenesis?

Depends on the information, depends on the thing, depends on the technology

 

[Fool]

sneaking a thread about resurrection are you?

one would have to lift the mind in order to resurrect the body.

nehushtan

brazen



In 1508 Michelangelo's image of the Israelites deliverance from the plague of serpents by the creation of the bronze serpent on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
Snake cults had been well established in Canaan in the Bronze Age: archaeologists have uncovered serpent cult objects in Bronze Age strata at several pre-Israelite cities in Canaan: two at Megiddo,[7] one at Gezer,[8] one in the Kodesh Hakodashim (Holy of Holies) of the Area H temple at Hazor,[9] and two at Shechem.[10]

According to Lowell K. Handy, the Nehushtan may have been the symbol of a minor god of snakebite-cure within the Temple.[11]


naddred
nagaraja
najahaje
uraeus

 

[Fool]

Depends on the information, depends on the thing, depends on the technology

you suppose nature works well with the idea of technology.

 

[Thief]

oh....what about a lean to that longstanding argument between Suskind and Hawking

 

[HonestJoe]

If all the information about a thing could be captured; including both the experiential and composition, then could that thing be recreated. basically reverse engineered, or reverse engineering of a personality?

I suspect it’d be theoretically possible but beyond the very simplest of things (from the single particle scale), the raw amount of data which would need to be stored and processed would likely be insurmountable.

There have been experiments involving “teleporting” fundamental particles, which would effectively be a similar kind of thing, but I don’t think there is any prospect of them progressing anywhere beyond that scale in the foreseeable future.

 

[Fool]

I suspect it’d be theoretically possible but beyond the very simplest of things (from the single particle scale), the raw amount of data which would need to be stored and processed would likely be insurmountable.

There have been experiments involving “teleporting” fundamental particles, which would effectively be a similar kind of thing, but I don’t think there is any prospect of them progressing anywhere beyond that scale in the foreseeable future.

ah but the seed of faith carries a lot of prospects, doesn't it?

the genotype carries all the structural information but then the environment transforms the phenotype with every change in environment.

 

[Thief]

one sci-fi included a device to form a body identical to yours at a distant point

If your clone was harmed or killed....
"you" would default to the point of origin and survive

during the event...you would be in two places at once
but functional only in one place at a time

 

[HonestJoe]

ah but the seed of faith carries a lot of prospects, doesn't it?

No.

the genotype carries all the structural information but then the environment transforms the phenotype with every change in environment.

There is a major difference between growing a descendant or new version of something and creating an exact copy of the same thing.

 

[ChristineM]

you suppose nature works well with the idea of technology.

Try reverse engineering (your wording) without it

 

[Fool]

No.

There is a major difference between growing a descendant or new version of something and creating an exact copy of the same thing.

you'll never have an exact copy, clone. the thing is in another space/time differential. the form is going to be altered due to current environmental issues. the conditional information has already been altered. one wonders what effect it would have on the experiential information

 

[Fool]

Try reverse engineering (your wording) without it

the modifier "reverse" would be dropped; so using our lingo its basically technology, or engineering.

so nature, which we are a part of, is both engineering and reverse-engineering via humans?

 

[ChristineM]

the modifier "reverse" would be dropped; so using our lingo its basically technology, or engineering.

so nature, which we are a part of, is both engineering and reverse-engineering via humans?

I used your wording while replying to he OP. If you want to move the goalposts feel free but dont try to make me respond to irrelevant questions modelled to suite your agenda

 

[Fool]

I used your wording while replying to he OP. If you want to move the goalposts feel free but dont try to make me respond to irrelevant questions modelled to suite your agenda

i have no such power to control; except by the commission of the blind

 

[ChristineM]

i have no such power to control; except by the commission of the blind

You are not controlling, i though i made that clear

 

[Fool]

You are not controlling, i though i made that clear

i agreed with you on the control, not the goal post. the goal post didn't get moved. your problem was solely with the language, not the process being discussed.


languages only become personal; when a person chooses to be exclusive to what logos should/shouldn't be used.

 

[ChristineM]

i agreed with you on the control, not the goal post. the goal post didn't get moved. your problem was solely with the language, not the process being discussed.

languages only become personal; when a person chooses to be exclusive to what logos should/shouldn't be used.

Language is the device through which we communicate. People may choose to modify language to suite their agenda, all that means is you are moving goalposts.


I will quote

If all the information about a thing could be captured; including both the experiential and composition, then could that thing be recreated. basically reverse engineered, or reverse engineering of a personality?

the modifier "reverse" would be dropped; so using our lingo its basically technology, or engineering.

Do you not see a problem in writing something then saying a key word should be dropped after the fact?

 

[Sleeppy]

If the information is completely 'captured' what need is there for recreation?