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The role of women ?

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I'd be interested in your views on this; is this a facet of 'evolution' that has gone awry?

(inspired by Should Women Preach the Word of God? )

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast/4251402.stm

Last Updated: Friday, 16 September 2005, 06:07 GMT 07:07 UK
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The heartbreak of late motherhood

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Geraldine's not worried by having her second baby at 36

For years, women have been told to wait until their lives are settled and their careers are established before they have their first baby.
But now a group of doctors is warning that putting off motherhood until your late thirties is defying nature and risking heartbreak.
Writing in the latest edition of the British Medical Journal, they say that the trend towards having late babies has led to an increased demand for IVF - and a dramatic rise in problem pregancies.
Miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy and pre-eclampsia are among the risks which increase with age. Children of older men may also have an increased risk of some genetic disorders and schizophrenia.
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What you told Breakfast
"Why always the comments that women are delaying motherhood because of their career? It's got more to do with people settling down later, not hard faced career women putting ourselves first! "


Liz Lewis



Read more viewers' comments on our Your Say page


This morning, Breakfast looked at the trouble with late motherhood
We heard from one mum - Geraldine Mynors - who's having her second child at 36.
And we debated the reasons why so many women are delaying motherhood, with journalist Christina Odone, who had her first child in her forties and Jill Kirby from the Centre for Policy Studies, who became a mother in her twenties.
More from BBC News Online

Over the last 20 years pregnancies in women over 35 have risen markedly and the average age of mothers has gone up.
Writing in the British Medical Journal, the London-based fertility specialists say they are "saddened" by the number of women they see who have problems.
They say the best age for pregnancy remains 20 to 35.
Over the last 20 years the average age for a woman to have their first baby has risen from 26 to 29.
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"The message that needs to go out is 'don't leave it too late' "


Peter Bowen-Simpkins, Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists


The specialists, led by Dr Susan Bewley, who treats women with high-risk pregnancies at Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital, warned age-related fertility problems increase after 35 and dramatically after 40.
Other experts said it was right to remind women not to leave it too late.
'Having it all'
In the BMJ, the specialists write: "Paradoxically, the availability of IVF may lull women into infertility while they wait for a suitable partner and concentrate on their careers and achieving security and a comfortable living standard."
But they warn IVF treatment carries no guarantees - with a high failure rate and extra risks of multiple pregnancies where it is successful.
For men, there are also risks in waiting until they are older to father children as semen counts deteriorate with age, they say.
Once an older woman does become pregnant, she runs a greater risk of miscarriage, foetal and chromosomal abnormalities, and pregnancy-related diseases.
They add: "Women want to 'have it all' but biology is unchanged.
"Their delays may reflect disincentives to earlier pregnancy or maybe an underlying resistance to childbearing as, despite the advantages brought about by feminism and equal opportunities legislation, women still bear full domestic burdens as well as work and financial responsibilities."

Clare Brown, Chief Executive of Infertility Network UK said "Delaying having children until you are in your thirties is a choice many people make but they need to be aware of the added problems when trying to conceive, particularly over the age of 35 when a woman's natural fertility declines. "When this is exacerbated by a further complication such as blocked tubes or low sperm count the chances of a successful pregnancy even using IVF are much less."
 

pedro

New Member
Without wanting to sound sexist, it is less of an issue. if he can still father a child at that age, why not. I think it becomes an issue when a baby is conceived artificially for someone over 60.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Personally, I cannot imagine having a baby at this point in my life, the mere thought of it scares the willies out of me. I understand the mind set of the vast scores of educated women delaying childbirth until after their career is established but they have no idea of how much engergy it takes to chase after toddlers all day. After 35 your energy levels drop and the risks of abnormalities is troublesome obviously.

I hope my daughter Lauren who is starting her second year in college, takes my advice and graduates with her degree, works for three years or so to gain experience in her field of work, then takes time off to make babies for a few years. Once the kids start school she can pick up her career again or work part time to keep updated in her profession. That way all her babies would be born before she's 30 yet if she chooses to keep her career she won't be left behind. I guess I see it as the best plan to have it all.
 

pedro

New Member
I'm very glad that i don't have to have babies. Although there are the benefits of taking maternity leave and then returning to your job, do mothers not want to be with their children, and not have a nanny?
 

Smoke

Done here.
pedro said:
Without wanting to sound sexist, it is less of an issue. if he can still father a child at that age, why not. I think it becomes an issue when a baby is conceived artificially for someone over 60.
So, you can sound sexist without wanting to! :D Why would it be worse for an old woman to have a child than for an old man to have a child?

If children are to be conceived "artificially" -- and they are all the time now -- is there any reason to believe a sixty year old woman is less able to make a decision about conception than a thirty year old woman?
 

pedro

New Member
Honestly did not want to sound sexist. The influence of teh mother is far more important on the life of a child than that of the father. Therefore it has a greater impact on the child when aged 15 he realsies that his mother is 75. Ideally neither parent will be 60, but if they are i would have prefered it to be my father.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
pedro said:
Honestly did not want to sound sexist. The influence of teh mother is far more important on the life of a child than that of the father. Therefore it has a greater impact on the child when aged 15 he realsies that his mother is 75. Ideally neither parent will be 60, but if they are i would have prefered it to be my father.

This is the problem, as I see it; not sounding sexist. I am most sincerely the last person to be sexist, but I have thought for a long time that the need for women to work nowdays (for purely financial need) is a monster that has created this problem.

Is there a way around it ? I don't honestly know. A young couple in England simply cannot afford to buy a house on Mortage without both working, and, as has been revealed in a few programmes on Television, being encouraged to lie about their income (because disclosure of their teue income would invalidate their meeting the required status for a mortgage).

I was born with a 42 year old Father, and my wife's father was 55 when she was born. We both realize that we missed out on a lot of 'young fatherhood'.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Women simply need to be free to be their beautiful selves.
 

Smoke

Done here.
pedro said:
Honestly did not want to sound sexist. The influence of teh mother is far more important on the life of a child than that of the father. Therefore it has a greater impact on the child when aged 15 he realsies that his mother is 75. Ideally neither parent will be 60, but if they are i would have prefered it to be my father.
My father was 21 when I was born, and my mother's father was 54 when she was born. I think I probably got to enjoy my dad more than mom go to enjoy hers, and I've definitely gotten to enjoy him longer; my dad isn't yet 70, but when my mother was the age I am now, her father had been dead for 25 years.

Nevertheless, it's not as if my mother had the option of being born in 1902, when her father was 21, instead of 1935. (In 1902, her mother hadn't even been born.) She had the father she had, and I'm sure she's never wished for another.

I can't imagine why it would be traumatic for a 15-year-old to realize his mother is 75. If he has any wits about him at all, he'll have seen it coming, after all, and it's not as if he was cheated out of being born earlier.

And older parent will likely be more financially stable than a younger parent, and hopefully a bit wiser, too.

Personally, I can't imagine wanting to chase a 5-year-old around when I'm 65, but I wouldn't have wanted to do it when I was 23, either. Those are decisions best left to the prospective parents.
 

egroen

Member
I think a woman in her 40's or even 50's is probably better equipped for motherhood than a teenager nowadays (at least mentally and financially, if not physically).

Definitely not for me though, I want them out of the house by the time I am 60, thank you. :)

-Erin
 

Melody

Well-Known Member
Let's face it....until science figures out how men can get pregnant, it will always be the woman who has to find that fine line between having children and getting what she wants out of life (if having children isn't her primary focus in life).

Who knows whether it's better to have your children when you're in your 20's versus your 30's. I'm sure it all depends on the individual.
 

pedro

New Member
"I can't imagine why it would be traumatic for a 15-year-old to realize his mother is 75. If he has any wits about him at all, he'll have seen it coming"..
All i'm saying is that when i was 15 i would not have liked for my mother to have to depend on me. The stress of seeing a close relative decline is huge. I am lucky enough for both my parents to still be alive, but to have a parentdeclining and dying when young, i would think hugely stressful.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Melody said:
Let's face it....until science figures out how men can get pregnant, it will always be the woman who has to find that fine line between having children and getting what she wants out of life (if having children isn't her primary focus in life).

Who knows whether it's better to have your children when you're in your 20's versus your 30's. I'm sure it all depends on the individual.

:shoutMay it never be! :shout
 
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