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The Descent into Hades

Discussion in 'Eastern Orthodox (Chalcedonia' started by James the Persian, May 23, 2007.

  1. James the Persian

    James the Persian Dreptcredincios Crestin

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    I just came across this useful article comparing the traditional view of the doctrine of the descent into Hades (or Harrowing of Hell as it is often called in English) and it is very good, if rather long.

    http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles7/HilarionSalvation.php

    I remembered, on reading it, that Michel (I think) started a thread asking about this teaching some time ago and, as a result thought that he, at least, might be interested to read the article. As it may also be of interest to others, I thought I would post it here for all to see.

    If anyone has questions on the subject or wishes to discuss the article, then by all means do so here, but please remember that this is in the EO DIR forum and so debate is not allowed. If someone wants a debate on the subject, please start a thread in the appropriate place.

    James
     
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  2. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Thanks for posting that.
    it was worth reading right through if only to find this last Paragraph

     
  3. MysticSang'ha

    MysticSang'ha Big Squishy Hugger
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    Fascinating, James!

    I think what struck me the most was this passage:

    Let's say that I interpret it this way:

    Upon death, humans come face-to-face with God. Depending on the heart of the person, being so close to God will either feel like paradise for some and hell for others. Hell isn't necessarily a distinct seperate place specifically designed for torment and suffering, but an experience individually. For since Christ is seen to be the conqueror of Hell, and the devil's power had been defeated by Him, and that his descent was not a one-time event (but timeless), then Christ's teachings are available forever for all to follow him.

    Is this at all consistent with EO teachings, in your opinion?




    Peace,
    Mystic
     
  4. James the Persian

    James the Persian Dreptcredincios Crestin

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    Firstly, I must say that I'm glad I posted this. I didn't expect to have replies already and I'm very to see that others found it useful/interesting.

    Yes. I think you pretty much summed that up perfectly. This view is very diferent from the one I grew up with and it's this difference that, more than anything else, convinced me of Orthodoxy's truth. I could never have returned to being a Christian in the mould I was raised - that was far too judgemental, with a God who didn't really seem to will that all were saved at all - but Orthodoxy is different.

    One of the things that always struck me of the icon of the Resurrection (as reproduced in that article) is that Christ stands on the wreckage of the doors of Hades pulling Adam out. Once you realise that in Orthodoxy everything Christ achieved is viewed as being eternal (rather than a one time only event) and that Adam actually stands for all mankind, you can't help but see that the Resurrection really allowed Christ to help all mankind out of 'hell' (bad translation, hence the quotes) and that the doors are still wrecked. The torments of hell may be eternal (in fact as they are God's love, they must be in a way) but anyone who is suffering them is there voluntarily - there are no gates on the prison any more.

    James
     
  5. TrodtoZion

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    raspect Iman have a question why do you use the greek pagan term for hell?
     
  6. James the Persian

    James the Persian Dreptcredincios Crestin

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    What would you prefer we use? The Teutonic pagan one you used? Not sure it's relevant but I doubt there's any particular reason why that tends to be used (other than the fact that we do, after all, still tend more towards Greek for our theological language). In English the teaching I was referring to is actually more commonly called the Harrowing of Hell, which uses the term you apparently favour.
     
  7. TrodtoZion

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    Why use a term for a place of ever lasting punishment in the first place? I only see pagan influences of this ism skism concept. Nothing to do with Jah/God people in I opinion but respect. Is Hades the brother of Zeus and Poseidon?
     
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