The Culture of Death?

[Prima]

This just came in the mail, and I think it makes an interesting discussion starter. You know the stuff people put on the outside of the envelope to try to make you interested? this one says...

"FREE BOOK! Learn the TRUE STORY about the Culture of Death and the men and women who created it: Marx, Freud, Kinsey, Darwin, Nietzche, Mead, Sanger, and many, many more"

I'm thinking...traditionalist Roman Catholic. And ignorant. Marx is blamed for a lot, but isn't truly to blame. Freud...great man. I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, but still smart. Kinsey...same there. And with most of the rest.

What do y'all think? Who's it from? What do you think about their choice of words/people?

Open discussion. :woohoo:

I'll actually open it later and let you all know what it says.

 

[Scuba Pete]

When in doubt, fear wins out.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

If they mean the anthromorphic personification of death, then I'm all for it!

(And, of course, there's also the Terry Pratchett version.)

 

[Valjean]

An anti-abortion tract?

It lists people disliked by the religious right. The "death" the religious right is most concerned with is not caused by war, poverty, disease or genocide.

 

[Valjean]

[Sarcasm/cynicism alert]:

In fact, judging by the voting habits of the Bible belters, the religious are perfectly comfortable with war, poverty, disease and genocide....

 

[michel]

This just came in the mail, and I think it makes an interesting discussion starter. You know the stuff people put on the outside of the envelope to try to make you interested? this one says...

"FREE BOOK! Learn the TRUE STORY about the Culture of Death and the men and women who created it: Marx, Freud, Kinsey, Darwin, Nietzche, Mead, Sanger, and many, many more"

I'm thinking...traditionalist Roman Catholic. And ignorant. Marx is blamed for a lot, but isn't truly to blame. Freud...great man. I don't necessarily agree with everything he said, but still smart. Kinsey...same there. And with most of the rest.

What do y'all think? Who's it from? What do you think about their choice of words/people?

Open discussion. :woohoo:

I'll actually open it later and let you all know what it says.

I am actually going to take a different stance on this from everyone else.
The guys you have quoted have all been theorists; they have logically argued about our thoughts, philosophies, and beginnings. Culture of Death ? well, if the author/s think that being without FAITH is like being dead, then yes-that would be what they are saying.

To me, life without God would be like death. There would be no purpose, apart from making oneself as comfortable as possible before having our consciousness completely obliterrated, and our physical being being burned, wrotting in the ground, or maybe eaten by maggots. I don't think I would like that, but then I know there is a God.

 

[Dr. Nosophoros]

Anything marked with "free Book" is a sure way to get me to throw something in the trash, anything marked with "The true story" is why I burn it -not really, but the urge is there.

 

[Valjean]

So, Prima. You must have opened it by now. What was it?

 

[Prima]

I think my dad might have thrown it away :biglaugh:I can't find it anywhere!

But it was from 'conservative catholics'

 

[Scott1]

But it was from 'conservative catholics'

I had nothing to do with it..... I promise!

 

[Prima]

*gives Father Peyton a suspicious look*

Hmm...okaaay.

 

[Valjean]

I think my dad might have thrown it away :biglaugh:I can't find it anywhere!

But it was from 'conservative catholics'

D'oh!

 

[johnnys4life]

Kinsey thought that people should be able to have sex with little kids. He was a total sicko.

I just looked that up to make sure, and it is true. He said that child sexual abuse didn't really harm children, among other things. Him and his colleauges set out to prove that it was just a social stigma to protect children from that. So, no, I don't consider him a great philosopher... and if there is a culture of death, or as in my opinion there is a growing culture of evil, he is certainly a part of it.

 

[Prima]

He was still a great philosopher. Just because he said things you don't agree with doesn't mean he wasn't great. Hitler was great. An amazing leader, orator, tactitian. That sure as hell doesn't mean I agree with him!

 

[johnnys4life]

He was still a great philosopher. Just because he said things you don't agree with doesn't mean he wasn't great. Hitler was great. An amazing leader, orator, tactitian. That sure as hell doesn't mean I agree with him!

That depends on your definition of great. If you mean someone who was merely greatly influential to the public, I agree. If you mean great as in his life deserves some sort of merit, I tend to think he did more harm than good.

It is funny to note how much Hitler gets brought up. I wonder why when he wasn't even the most evil person in history.

 

[Ex Machina]

Kinsey thought that people should be able to have sex with little kids. He was a total sicko.

I just looked that up to make sure, and it is true. He said that child sexual abuse didn't really harm children, among other things. Him and his colleauges set out to prove that it was just a social stigma to protect children from that. So, no, I don't consider him a great philosopher... and if there is a culture of death, or as in my opinion there is a growing culture of evil, he is certainly a part of it.

I don't agree with his methods, but I still think he has a valid point in theory. The idea that having sex with children is ultimately evil is something I don't believe to be true, that doesn't mean I think it should be legal, as there are many good reasons why I think it should be kept as a criminal offence, but ultimately anything about child sex that is 'wrong' ultimately stems from social mechanics or belief systems, as the act itself isnt necesseraly harmful to the child under all circumstances.

One good reason I believe that child sex should be illegal is because it is mostly simpyl a way of an adult useing a child as a form of gratification with little regard for the wellbeing of the child, as any adult inherantly has power over any children in their watch. Having said that, if the wishes of the child were to be respected (assuming the child was open to such desires), there existed a societey that was completely and absolutely open about sex and saw nothing shameful about anything sexual at all while respecting the consequences of the act anyway (pregnancy and STIs) and care was taken in all such aspects, there would be nothing intrinsicly evil about child sex.

Now the reality, being different from the hypothetical, justifies child sex being illegal, and because of that I disagree with Kinsey in his methods. However, seperate the fundementals of the act from what it entails in our society and there is hardly anything inherently 'wrong' with it, assuming the child wasn't harmed mentally or physically.

 

[jamaesi]

I don't agree with his methods, but I still think he has a valid point in theory. The idea that having sex with children is ultimately evil is something I don't believe to be true, that doesn't mean I think it should be legal, as there are many good reasons why I think it should be kept as a criminal offence, but ultimately anything about child sex that is 'wrong' ultimately stems from social mechanics or belief systems, as the act itself isnt necesseraly harmful to the child under all circumstances.

One good reason I believe that child sex should be illegal is because it is mostly simpyl a way of an adult useing a child as a form of gratification with little regard for the wellbeing of the child, as any adult inherantly has power over any children in their watch. Having said that, if the wishes of the child were to be respected (assuming the child was open to such desires), there existed a societey that was completely and absolutely open about sex and saw nothing shameful about anything sexual at all while respecting the consequences of the act anyway (pregnancy and STIs) and care was taken in all such aspects, there would be nothing intrinsicly evil about child sex.

You know, I'd buy all that crap, except for the simple fact that children are not sexually mature.

 

[michel]

I don't agree with his methods, but I still think he has a valid point in theory. The idea that having sex with children is ultimately evil is something I don't believe to be true, that doesn't mean I think it should be legal, as there are many good reasons why I think it should be kept as a criminal offence, but ultimately anything about child sex that is 'wrong' ultimately stems from social mechanics or belief systems, as the act itself isnt necesseraly harmful to the child under all circumstances.

One good reason I believe that child sex should be illegal is because it is mostly simpyl a way of an adult useing a child as a form of gratification with little regard for the wellbeing of the child, as any adult inherantly has power over any children in their watch. Having said that, if the wishes of the child were to be respected (assuming the child was open to such desires), there existed a societey that was completely and absolutely open about sex and saw nothing shameful about anything sexual at all while respecting the consequences of the act anyway (pregnancy and STIs) and care was taken in all such aspects, there would be nothing intrinsicly evil about child sex.

Now the reality, being different from the hypothetical, justifies child sex being illegal, and because of that I disagree with Kinsey in his methods. However, seperate the fundementals of the act from what it entails in our society and there is hardly anything inherently 'wrong' with it, assuming the child wasn't harmed mentally or physically.

Sorry, but I agree with jamaesi. Your hypothetical world is just that; hypothetical.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't agree with his methods, but I still think he has a valid point in theory. The idea that having sex with children is ultimately evil is something I don't believe to be true, that doesn't mean I think it should be legal, as there are many good reasons why I think it should be kept as a criminal offence, but ultimately anything about child sex that is 'wrong' ultimately stems from social mechanics or belief systems, as the act itself isnt necesseraly harmful to the child under all circumstances.

One good reason I believe that child sex should be illegal is because it is mostly simpyl a way of an adult useing a child as a form of gratification with little regard for the wellbeing of the child, as any adult inherantly has power over any children in their watch. Having said that, if the wishes of the child were to be respected (assuming the child was open to such desires), there existed a societey that was completely and absolutely open about sex and saw nothing shameful about anything sexual at all while respecting the consequences of the act anyway (pregnancy and STIs) and care was taken in all such aspects, there would be nothing intrinsicly evil about child sex.

Now the reality, being different from the hypothetical, justifies child sex being illegal, and because of that I disagree with Kinsey in his methods. However, seperate the fundementals of the act from what it entails in our society and there is hardly anything inherently 'wrong' with it, assuming the child wasn't harmed mentally or physically.

There are actually a number of studies that indicate female children who have been molested later on develop low self esteem, promiscuity, self destructive behaviors, etc. These studies would contradict your assertation that there is nothing inherently wrong with having sex with children.

 

[mr.guy]

There are actually a number of studies that indicate female children who have been molested later on develop low self esteem, promiscuity, self destructive behaviors, etc. These studies would contradict your assertation that there is nothing inherently wrong with having sex with children.

I think he'd chalk that up to social stygmatization.