The Communist Front, I mean the ACLU

[yossarian22]

Yes, god damn those Communist pigs who fight for our rights

No, that goes right to the heart of the matter. Just because you don't agree with it and it's true, doesn't make it ad hominem.

True.
Its more like guilt by association, but whatever.

 

[rheff78]

These are the facts. Look at the institution you are defending.

The (ACLU) American Civil Liberties Union stands on a lie... the (ACLU) stands for ''Americans Cancer Left Unchecked.'' There is nothing American about a pro-Socialist/Communist organization. ACLU founder Roger Baldwin said, ''Communism is the goal.'' The ACLU defends (NAMBLA) North American Man Boy/Love Association right to exist. There is nothing American about a group of sickos who prey on young boys for sex. Sexual abuse hurts so bad that it stays locked in your mind forever. Why can't the ACLU understand that?
It was much worse for Jeffrey Curley, he was murdered by ''Charles Jaynes & Sal Sicari.'' They said, NAMBLA drove them to it. NAMBLA publishes pictures of nude boys on their website, but an ACLU executive states it doesn't consititute a criminal act. Picture a 10 year old boy struggling with a 300 pound man. When Jeffrey died, Jaynes & Sicari continue to have sex with his body, picture that too.
The FBI nabbed a dentist from Texas, a special-education teacher from Pittsburgh, a substitute teacher from S. Carolina, a handyman from New Mexico, two workers at a paper company in Florida, a psychologist from Chicago. A pastor/chiropractor was arrested in Fullerton on child-pornography and for molesting a young boy. All walks of life support NAMBLA.
The ACLU (Advancing Criminals, Leftists and Un-Americans) want to outlaw capital punishment for murderers who kill children and cops. They care more about violet criminals than the innocent victims. When the ACLU heard 911 terrorist ''Zacarias Moussaoui'' got life instead of death, they were pleased. The ACLU claims to be against violence, but makes excuses for killers like Hussein, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong and Castro who murdered and tortured political dissidents.
Man, what a gret institution to have in America. Congrats guys, gor backing this horse.

 

[Smoke]

The ACLU defends (NAMBLA) North American Man Boy/Love Association right to exist.

I can't believe you went there. Seriously.

The ACLU defends the first amendment rights of all kinds of unsavory characters, as I've already mentioned. That's because it's vitally important to preserve our constitutional rights, not because they agree with all those unsavory characters. The ACLU definitely does not condone child abuse.

However, there is a large international organization that has deliberately facilitated the sexual abuse of minors. This organization has protected the abusers, covered up their crimes, paid hush money to victims, and abused the trust people place in it by deliberately helping abusers to infiltrate unsuspecting communities where they had unsupervised access to children. I'm sure I don't have to tell you what organization that was.

I'll compare the organizations I belong to, to those you belong to any day.

 

[Autodidact]

I can't believe you went there. Seriously.

The ACLU defends the first amendment rights of all kinds of unsavory characters, as I've already mentioned. That's because it's vitally important to preserve our constitutional rights, not because they agree with all those unsavory characters. The ACLU definitely does not condone child abuse.

However, there is a large international organization that has deliberately facilitated the sexual abuse of minors. This organization has protected the abusers, covered up their crimes, paid hush money to victims, and abused the trust people place in it by deliberately helping abusers to infiltrate unsuspecting communities where they had unsupervised access to children. I'm sure I don't have to tell you what organization that was.

I'll compare the organizations I belong to, to those you belong to any day.

Does that organization by any chance enjoy tax exempt status?

 

[rheff78]

I can't believe you went there. Seriously.

The ACLU defends the first amendment rights of all kinds of unsavory characters, as I've already mentioned. That's because it's vitally important to preserve our constitutional rights, not because they agree with all those unsavory characters. The ACLU definitely does not condone child abuse.

However, there is a large international organization that has deliberately facilitated the sexual abuse of minors. This organization has protected the abusers, covered up their crimes, paid hush money to victims, and abused the trust people place in it by deliberately helping abusers to infiltrate unsuspecting communities where they had unsupervised access to children. I'm sure I don't have to tell you what organization that was.

I'll compare the organizations I belong to, to those you belong to any day.

This is one of the most unintentionally funny posts ever. YOU're kidding right? The organization is founded upon child porn. If that's what you are comparing to my organizations, then go ahead and try to fight me, because I've already won.

 

[Autodidact]

This is one of the most unintentionally funny posts ever. YOU're kidding right? The organization is founded upon child porn. If that's what you are comparing to my organizations, then go ahead and try to fight me, because I've already won.

The ACLU protects the free speech rights of child pornographers--and everybody else. The Catholic Church has facilitated, permitted, and protected from prosecution thousands of child molesters. Give it a shot--you defend their actions. I'm looking forward to it.

If I had a choice between letting my child unaccompanied by an ACLU lawyer or a Catholic priest, I'd feel safer with the lawyer.

 

[rheff78]

The ACLU protects the free speech rights of child pornographers--and everybody else. The Catholic Church has facilitated, permitted, and protected from prosecution thousands of child molesters. Give it a shot--you defend their actions. I'm looking forward to it.

If I had a choice between letting my child unaccompanied by an ACLU lawyer or a Catholic priest, I'd feel safer with the lawyer.

Then you could see your child end up on the internet with a 300lb man on top of him. Seriously, how could you defend an institution that defends an organization that thinks child pornography is a Constitutionally protected right? I'm not talking just about defending the COmmunist Party or the Nazi Party or anything like that. Those are political organizations that are trying to futher their own agenda (however twisted it is). The ACLU DEFENDS CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS. Simple as that.

 

[rheff78]

The ACLU protects the free speech rights of child pornographers--and everybody else. The Catholic Church has facilitated, permitted, and protected from prosecution thousands of child molesters. Give it a shot--you defend their actions. I'm looking forward to it.

If I had a choice between letting my child unaccompanied by an ACLU lawyer or a Catholic priest, I'd feel safer with the lawyer.

And BTW, thousands is not correct. Pedophile Priests are in the minority. Even so, many people have fought for their removal from the priesthood after the incident. The Church does not condon child molestation, apparently the ACLU has no problem with it. If you are going to try and bash my religion you need to read up on your facts.

 

[Autodidact]

Then you could see your child end up on the internet with a 300lb man on top of him.

You seem to be confusing the attorney with the client.

Seriously, how could you defend an institution that defends an organization that thinks child pornography is a Constitutionally protected right? I'm not talking just about defending the COmmunist Party or the Nazi Party or anything like that. Those are political organizations that are trying to futher their own agenda (however twisted it is). The ACLU DEFENDS CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS. Simple as that.

The ACLU defends all kinds of scumbags; that's their job. Their agenda is not nazism or gay-bashing or pornography--it's constitutional rights.

Think of a criminal defense attorney. She defends murderers and rapists--that's her job. It doesn't mean she's in favor of murder or rape. Get it?

Now, you were going to try to defend the Catholic Church against a charge of international conspiracy to facilitate and protect child molesters. We're waiting eagerly.

 

[Draka]

Then you could see your child end up on the internet with a 300lb man on top of him. Seriously, how could you defend an institution that defends an organization that thinks child pornography is a Constitutionally protected right? I'm not talking just about defending the COmmunist Party or the Nazi Party or anything like that. Those are political organizations that are trying to futher their own agenda (however twisted it is). The ACLU DEFENDS CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS. Simple as that.

Not unless the lawer, for some twisted unknown reason, were to take my child over to NAMBLA and hand them over. They're equal rights lawyers, not morons. You don't need to agree with something to legally defend its right to exist. Ask any lawyer that.

Oh, and if you want to take the route you've taken: Seriously, how could you belong to an institution that has so many of its highly regarded members being accused of child molestation but never to face charges because the institution does its best to bury the accusations?

People in glass houses they say....

 

[Autodidact]

And BTW, thousands is not correct.

From the Church's own report:

• 
  [*]US clerics accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392.
  About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years.
  [*]Individuals making accusations: 10,667.
  [*]Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.
  [*]Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female
  [*]Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer.
  [*]Victims per priest: 55.7% with one victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of allegations).
  [*]Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.
  [*]Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04)​

That's over 4000 in the U.S. alone, so yes, it's thousands. You are not correct. I will be amazed if you acknowledge this.

Pedophile Priests are in the minority.

Well I should hope so, for heaven sakes!

Even so, many people have fought for their removal from the priesthood after the incident.

Yes, many people had to fight the Church very hard to get any of them removed. Good for them that they stood up to the criminal conspiracy.

The Church does not condon child molestation,

No, it commits it, and then protects the perpetrators.

apparently the ACLU has no problem with it. If you are going to try and bash my religion you need to read up on your facts.

This is where you're wrong. Defending a nazi does not mean you don't have a problem with Nazis. The ACLU would defend you, if your constitutional rights were imperil led. You seem to have difficulty with this concept.

 

[rheff78]

Well I tell you what. I'm going to form an organization where I like to film babies being defiled by animals. Thank God I have the ACLU to defend my right to have such an immoral and absolutely absurd organization. People have a RIGHT to an attorney for murder or rape. There are always two sides to a story. Their guilt is in doubt. NAMBLA is already guilty. Child porn and molestation is ILLEGAL. But apparently the ACLU doesn't think the pedophiles have gotten a fair say.

 

[Draka]

This is just getting ridiculous. That anybody is honestly against the American Civil Liberties Union Is just unbelievable. The trite being spouted against them is even more astonishing. Just...wow.

 

[Autodidact]

Well I tell you what. I'm going to form an organization where I like to film babies being defiled by animals. Thank God I have the ACLU to defend my right to have such an immoral and absolutely absurd organization. People have a RIGHT to an attorney for murder or rape. There are always two sides to a story. Their guilt is in doubt. NAMBLA is already guilty. Child porn and molestation is ILLEGAL. But apparently the ACLU doesn't think the pedophiles have gotten a fair say.

You seem to have a very unclear understanding of our legal system.

Now, again, why should a criminal organization responsible for not only actually molesting thousands of children, but then protecting, defending and covering up their crimes for decades, be entitled to tax exemption?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Rheff, from what I understand, NAMBLA is an organization that is seeking to abolish the "age of consent." They are wishing to legalize sexual relations between adults and minors, but they do not advocate going against the law and having sexual relationships anyway.

And, on a more important note for the rest of the participants here, please be mindful of what you are saying........the ACLU is an excellent subject for debate, but it can be a "hot-button" one, too. Before doing one of these ---> :foot: , it's best to take a breather, do some push-ups, take a hot bath, eat some peanut butter and jelly on toast.......

Actually, that sounds yummy right now. I think I'll indulge in my own suggestion.




Peace,
Mystic

 

[rheff78]

This is just getting ridiculous. That anybody is honestly against the American Civil Liberties Union Is just unbelievable. The trite being spouted against them is even more astonishing. Just...wow.

The fact that anyone can support the ACLU is even more ridiculous. Everything that has been spouted against them on this forum is true, regardless of how you feel.

 

[Autodidact]

O.K., people, let's discuss the issues, not each other.

rheff: So in fact there were thousands of pedophile priests, correct?

 

[Draka]

The fact that anyone can support the ACLU is even more ridiculous. Everything that has been spouted against them on this forum is true, regardless of how you feel.

"True" with your own twist. You still seem unable to grasp the concept of lawyers legally defending something they don't agree with. You seem to think that because the ACLU has defended certain people or organizations that they are condoning and in agreeance with the actions of those they are defending. Go talk to a lawyer and ask them if they have ever found themselves defending a client they did not agree with or support their actions.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Then you could see your child end up on the internet with a 300lb man on top of him. Seriously, how could you defend an institution that defends an organization that thinks child pornography is a Constitutionally protected right? I'm not talking just about defending the COmmunist Party or the Nazi Party or anything like that. Those are political organizations that are trying to futher their own agenda (however twisted it is). The ACLU DEFENDS CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS. Simple as that.

The ACLU defends any case that they believe to be constitutionally protected speech or activity. This is why they've defended such things as:

- the right for Christian groups to protest at Gay Pride parades
- the right for the basketball team from a Seventh-Day Adventist school to not be excluded from a tournament originally scheduled for their Sabbath
- the right for pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions that violate their religious beliefs
- the right for Christian students to sing religious songs in school talent shows
- the right for correction centre residents to consume wine during communion
- the right for high school students to wear anti-abortion t-shirts to school
- the right of a Catholic man to not complete a drug rehab program run by a Pentecostal group, which would have required him to renounce Catholicism
- the right for potential jurors to not be excluded because they were "demonstrative about their religion"
- the right of high school students to not have religious content deleted from their yearbook entries.

... And more similar cases.

Their purpose is to defend the rights themselves. The person exercising it is secondary.

 

[rheff78]

The RIGHT to defend pedophilia? IT'S ILLEGAL!!!