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The case of Indian Intelligence and Mr Singh

JIMMY12345

Active Member
Spy agencies do what they have to do. The Russian FSB operates with happy abandon. Litvineko was poisoned with Polonium. Russia still got to host the 2018 Football. Saudi’s disposed of someone in an embassy. However, the leadership are good. They promote women’s rights and religious tolerance. Quite unlike Iran.

In the USA there was a foreign operation to cede California from the USA. Spain wants to keep the Basque region. UK wants to keep submarine and other bases and a break with Scotland would be fatal(which is why there is a helpful nudge in this direction from Russia).

Its fair. If India wants to keep the country intact. To entertain separation means terrorism and unfortunately more deaths. So if the overseas Indian Research and Analysis wing got involved. It’s ONLY to be expected. Their mistake was to get caught. President Indira (related to Rahul) Gandhi was killed by her bodyguard.

Eventually all will be quietly buried. India will not cooperate. Even if their guys were to happen to feature in CCTV embassy and other interesting footage and airline manifests. Also India did immediately rush in Police to protect the Canadian embassy. India and the world wants to know. They will not. Stout denial as Mr Woodehouse advocated. The photo of Mr Trudeau's hand quietly clasping Mr Modi in support at the G20 is political reality.

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Onasander

Member
I've trained with Indian Airborne and Commamdos. I know Indian history, hold Chanakya in high regard. But I dint think Modi or India is ready for a true international alliance. India should be thrilled Canada took in these Sikhs. Far, far away in Canada is NOT in India. No clear and present danger. However, everyone now sees the threat from India. Everyone in NATO. The Quad. Middle East.

India has it's head so far up it's convoluted, nationalistic *** that it can't tell it's own propaganda from reality. You do not assassinate the citizens of foreign countries and then make a bird brained, backwards argument of soveignty. There will be repercussions for decades around the world, in the form of hesitation and non-invites and lost opportunities. Some weapon negotiations will paradoxically now be out of India's control because Canada helped fund and build those weapons and have a say in who gets licensed. US rarely develops weapon systems alone.

But that won't matter. Marching about and muttering nationalistic nonsense matters most. Bharat forever. Keep digging a ever deeper hole foe yourself India, who needs a sane foreign policy? Allies who trust you?
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
I've trained with Indian Airborne and Commamdos. I know Indian history, hold Chanakya in high regard. But I dint think Modi or India is ready for a true international alliance. India should be thrilled Canada took in these Sikhs. Far, far away in Canada is NOT in India. No clear and present danger.

The air india crash in 1983, sabotaged by Sikh extremists killed over 24 Indian citizens, 268 Canadian citizens and 27 British citizens .


India was lucky that Indian casualties were low, but it was not so with the British and especially the Canadians.

And even though Sikh extremists were convicted and sentenced for this act of sabotage in Canada, none of them were sentenced to capital punishment, served light terms and were left off before their sentence was over.

Nazis, terrorists, criminals and gangsters around the world have made Canada their country to escape legal issues at home, taking advantage of lax Canadian rules and regulations.

The comical applause and standing ovation given to the nazi veteran in the Canadian parlimaent leading to world-wide condemnation and criticism is a good case to consider in this regard.



This lax attitude to extremeists also actually proves to be a threat to Canadian citizens as well, as shown by the death of 268 Canadian citizens killed by Sikh extremists. Islamic terrorists can take advantage of this laxness to create bases in Canada , infiltrating the porous border to launch attacks across the U.S. which can make 9/11 look like a walk in the park.

Trudeau should first create accountability and justice for the 268 Canadian citizens killed, as a real leader should,instead of merely trying to appease his sikh vote-bank shamelessly, and then India will look into his complaints.

India has it's head so far up it's convoluted, nationalistic *** that it can't tell it's own propaganda from reality. You do not assassinate the citizens of foreign countries and then make a bird brained, backwards argument of soveignty. There will be repercussions for decades around the world, in the form of hesitation and non-invites and lost opportunities.
You mean, the way Bin Laden guarded by the Pakistani military was assassinated by US special forces in Pakistan in 2011. U.S has not paid attention to constant Pakistani protests over violation of its sovereignty.

Pakistan has sided with China as a consequence with Islamist militants and organisations around the world pledging to avenge Laden's death.


Some weapon negotiations will paradoxically now be out of India's control because Canada helped fund and build those weapons and have a say in who gets licensed. US rarely develops weapon systems alone.
Did India build its nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and destroyers, intercontinental ballistic missiles and anti-missile defense systems with canadian or US help !

India has created the largest pool of scientific, engineering and managerial personnel in the world, and its effect is bound to tell in the short term itself, whether anyone likes it or not.


However, everyone now sees the threat from India. Everyone in NATO. The Quad. Middle East.

India has the second largest army on earth which is a battle-harded one as well and is considered the fourth strongest military power in the world. However NATO and middle east does not have any threat from India, the largest democracy on earth.

But it would be wiser for NATO if it sees the prospect of a nuclear holocaust from Russia, if you ask me.

A nuclear holocaust can wipe out the U.S, Europe and Russia permanently from the map, and make them part of more tedious history lessons for the next generation of students.

After the humiliating defeat by the Taliban in 2021, US-NATO's dysfunctional leadership is trying to save face by a proxy war with Russia, not doing its due diligence yet again with respect to Russian resolve and capabilities as it did with the Taliban as well. It's short-sighted leadership is mainly focussed on reaping profits for the military-industrial complex and will be content even with a failure as a long unsuccessful war is more profitable than a short successful war.

Hopefully, the leadership will get wise and get involved in talks to defuse the conflict before it gets out of hand.

I am all for peace, and believe focus on conflict and weapons are taking away resources for addressing the common problems of humanity such as education, housing and healthcare.

It's tragic that the richest nation in the world still has a growing body of hundreds of thousands of homeless people living on the streets lacking affordable healthcare,housing and education, and shows demented policymaking and administration focused on the rich rather than the
common man.

Democracy (of the people, by the people and for the people) is all about empowering the common man. If not, it is a plutocracy governed by the few rich and favoring them, no matter how much you wish to deny or sugar-coat it due to nationalistic conditioning or hypocrisy.
 

Onasander

Member
North America isn't at risk of Sikh extremists. They had a cultural center in my old town in West Vurginia, been to a temple they had on the outskirts of Bart (railway) in the San Francsico Bay area. Easiest way to dodge their wrath is not to employ them as body guards while committing human rights violations, which India loves to do.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
North America isn't at risk of Sikh extremists. They had a cultural center in my old town in West Vurginia, been to a temple they had on the outskirts of Bart (railway) in the San Francsico Bay area.

There are many Sikh sects , and the extremists belong to a violent one due to a history of warfare with invaders and so on.

Even peaceful and nonviolent Sikh sects like the Nirankaris and Ravidasi's have been victims of attack from the sikh extremists on ridiculous charges of blasphemy and heresy, just like nonviolent and progressive islamic sects like the Ahmediyas and sufis have been subject to violence by extremist muslims on blasphemy charges.



Issues of blasphemy should be resolved by discussions,dialogues or debates and other civilized means and not by guns and violence.

Extremist sikhs are also at cohorts with Islamic terrorist organisations and had invited them to their rallies and meetings due to commonalities in their ideological agenda.


Easiest way to dodge their wrath is not to employ them as body guards while committing human rights violations, which India loves to do.

India is an ancient civilization and has not invaded other countries and this itself cancels out any possible large body of possible human rights violation.

They have granted refuge to persecuted refugees from other nations like the Zoroastrians, jews, Syrian Christians, Tibetan Buddhists, Bahais and so on.

The Indian emperor Ashoka the Great (304 – 232 BCE), was a pacifist who spread Buddhism and message of pacafism around the world in the third century b.c, through all known land and sea routes. This itself may have possibly prevented numerous wars and conflicts, and may have even developed other religious movements with similar objectives.

Strict Gun controls, and rules and regulations in this regard also ensures that mass shootings, which makes headlines in certain countries on a regular basis, are absent in present Indian society.

October 2, the birthday of Mahatma Gandhi, is observed around the world as 'The international day of non-violence'.


There is an ancient sanskrit saying, Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah meaning ' Nonviolence brings forth the greatest righteousness'.
 

Onasander

Member
I've followed Indian news, I know Hindus aren't peaceful. And it has a long history of expansive empire building, multiple dynasties did this. The Indian subcontinent is almost as big as Europe, and India was always fighting over it.

If the Sikhs are angry enough to fight, it's a reflection on the fallen state of India. They wouldn't fight without cause. I know them well enough to know that much. I don't think a single country exists with more wild and diverse insurgencies pound for pound than India. Nothing is happening in Canada.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
I've followed Indian news, I know Hindus aren't peaceful.

The Hindus have an ancient martial tradition along with martial arts like Kalaripayattu and Silambam. There are strict rules and regulations that prohibit assault on defenseless civilians, women and children on the grounds that they are highly sinful , cowardly and dishonorable.

However, narrow-minded Hindu fundamentalists have their own traditional baggage of feudal man-made laws and obsolete customs like casteism and so on which are a source of strife in rural areas.

Just as Christian fundamentalists succeed in keeping America backward, so do these Hindu fundamentalists.

Same too with Islamic fundamentalists with their obsolete religious traditions that prevent critical inquiry and rational outlook necessary for the timely evolution of the individual and society to meet the demands of culture and civilization.

Caste is often seen as a tribal identity of sorts. With increasing intellectual and cultural literacy, such caste lines and focus on primitive identities are decreasing as well.

And it has a long history of expansive empire building, multiple dynasties did this.

The various Indian kingdoms fought with themselves to gain imperial status in the ancient Indian subcontinent where the vedic religion and culture presided. There have been emperors like Chandragupta Maurya, Samudragupta, Vikramaditya and Ashoka the Great.

However they never set out to conquer the world, though it was in their power to do so.

The Indian subcontinent is almost as big as Europe, and India was always fighting over it.

'India' is just a term or label. Why should a term/label fight over the Indian subcontinent. It is just a mental abstraction if you ask me and does not have any reality beyond that.


If the Sikhs are angry enough to fight, it's a reflection on the fallen state of India. They wouldn't fight without cause.

An accomplished propagandist can make anyone fight for delusionary causes if they craft the narrative properly adding a lot of emotion and drama to it.

If you have any doubts, look at the ludicrous motives of the nazis in the second world or the secessionists in the American civil war or the Jihadis irrational hatred for non-believers or kaffirs or other Islamic sects.

U.S claims to be fighting for democratic values though it has a history of bringing down or fighting democratic governments if they are opposed to U.S. economic interests and setting up authoritarian governments instead or backing them. An example is the Guatemalan democratic government whose people-friendly agrarian reforms went contrary to US economic interests in the country, and consequently the government was replaced by a US backed authoritarian government in 1954.

This shows that it is self-interest that truly matters and 'defense of democratic values' are euphemisms used to sugar-coat or overlook such transgressions, and to gain general acceptance from a population that is conditioned to believe in the government and corporate owned media narratives blindly.


I don't think a single country exists with more wild and diverse insurgencies pound for pound than India.

India has the largest population in the world at the moment, so there are bound to be some discordant elements here and there.


Nothing is happening in Canada.

How is the Quebec seccessionist movement going on ?
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Its fair. If India wants to keep the country intact. To entertain separation means terrorism and unfortunately more deaths. So if the overseas Indian Research and Analysis wing got involved. It’s ONLY to be expected. Their mistake was to get caught. President Indira (related to Rahul) Gandhi was killed by her bodyguard.

Eventually all will be quietly buried. India will not cooperate. Even if their guys were to happen to feature in CCTV embassy and other interesting footage and airline manifests. Also India did immediately rush in Police to protect the Canadian embassy. India and the world wants to know. They will not. Stout denial as Mr Woodehouse advocated. The photo of Mr Trudeau's hand quietly clasping Mr Modi in support at the G20 is political reality.
your post is not very clear. RAW is doing its work as best as it can just like the spy agencies of other countries work. necessary for a country which has the largest population in the world and two nuclear-capable countries inimical to it, china and pakistan. where did they got caught?
sure, no country will like secession. what indira gandhi did was necessary. it was unfortunate that indira was killed. she was a brave leader.
i do not think india rushed any police to canada. security of indian diplomats is the responsibility of canadian government, and they failed in it.
yes, india and canada are not on best of terms today. canada has accused india of unlawful activity but have never provided even a single proof.
the current canaian government needs the support of 24 sikh parliament members to survive. india understands that very clearly.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I've trained with Indian Airborne and Commamdos. I know Indian history, hold Chanakya in high regard. But I dint think Modi or India is ready for a true international alliance. India should be thrilled Canada took in these Sikhs. Far, far away in Canada is NOT in India. No clear and present danger. However, everyone now sees the threat from India. Everyone in NATO. The Quad. Middle East.

India has it's head so far up it's convoluted, nationalistic *** that it can't tell it's own propaganda from reality. You do not assassinate the citizens of foreign countries and then make a bird brained, backwards argument of soveignty. There will be repercussions for decades around the world, in the form of hesitation and non-invites and lost opportunities. Some weapon negotiations will paradoxically now be out of India's control because Canada helped fund and build those weapons and have a say in who gets licensed. US rarely develops weapon systems alone.

But that won't matter. Marching about and muttering nationalistic nonsense matters most. Bharat forever. Keep digging a ever deeper hole foe yourself India, who needs a sane foreign policy? Allies who trust you?
canada or even us may do whatever they want, alternatives will always be there. be it s-400 missile system or rafale aircrafts. india is the largest buyer of military equipment in the world. friendship with india means more business. QUAD is there because both india and us need it and not just india.
sikh terrorists in canada are not at all a danger to india, however mightily they may shout. punjab is happily going ahead with a new government which does not support terrorists. the real question is why should canada or us protect people who have terror or criminal background? drugs are a part of terrorism now and many of the khalistan supporters are drug dealers. we do not expect friends to do that.
neither canada nor us have provided us any proof to us that we have done anything against international law. and what are the human right violations that you are talking about?
india has the largest and one of the most diverse populations in the world. problems occur, but india has always been able to solve them. be it kashmir or nagaland. currently manipur has some problems, we will solve that too.
 
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