The bait & switch on discussions of materialism

[Wildswanderer]

Because they have physical manifestation and properties, and thereby influence other things with physical manifestation and properties. And its that relation that laws describe.

Which is order. Why is there order when once there was chaos?
If you have ever had a teenager you know that order never springs from chaos without someone doing a lot of work.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Which is order. Why is there order when once there was chaos?

Give us your definition of "order"?
It sounds like you are using a very different definition from every physicist out there.

If you have ever had a teenager you know that order never springs from chaos without someone doing a lot of work.

Yep. Definitely using a very different definition.
A rather juvenile one, it seems.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Which is order. Why is there order when once there was chaos?
If you have ever had a teenager you know that order never springs from chaos without someone doing a lot of work.

This is like when humans believed lightning was forged and thrown by gods. They couldn't conceive of lightning being the natural consequence of an impersonal process which needed no god working at th anvil. So when the answer stared them in the face they had to retreat to another ignorance, another gap for their gods to be doing all the 'work.'

 

[Wildswanderer]

This is like when humans believed lightning was forged and thrown by gods. They couldn't conceive of lightning being the natural consequence of an impersonal process which needed no god working at th anvil. So when the answer stared them in the face they had to retreat to another ignorance, another gap for their gods to be doing all the 'work.'

Except you have no explanation for the beginning of the universe.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Except you have no explanation for the beginning of the universe.

They had no alternate explanation for lightning when they thought gods threw it. Like all the rest of the times humans found it easy to slap 'god' on what ended up being a natural process, I see no reason to insert god into the beginnings of the universe. That's why they call it 'god of the gaps.' Or argument from ignorance.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Except you have no explanation for the beginning of the universe.

No explanation means we don't get to insert whatever we want into it and declare we have an explanation. Especially if that explanation isn't explanatory at all - like inserting God(s) into it.

It simply means we don't currently have an explanation.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Except you have no explanation for the beginning of the universe.

Oh, but we do:

Time travelling geese.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Except you have no explanation for the beginning of the universe.

Gigantic argument from ignorance.
And ironically, literally a confirmation of what @ADigitalArtist has just said...