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Supreme Court case against the Consumer Protection Agency

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/03/1203...s-skeptical-of-a-challenge-to-consumer-agency

There is a Supreme Court case against the Consumer Protection Agency now called the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. This case is not so much about its consumer mission, but more about the way it is funded. Congress is supposed to make laws and decide funding, but this agency gets its money from the Federal Reserve, rather than from the normal annual appropriations process. What that means it they are not accountable to the three branches of government or law, since their are not vulnerable to the annual appropriation process. They can make laws and rules and nothing can be done by the government. This means they can be part of the swamp; above the law. The only way to deal with this rogue agency is the Supreme Court via a Civil Case.

A case in point, that is not part of this particular Supreme Court case, but should make everyone worry, is where was the Consumer Protection Agency when millions of consumers of college goods and services, were being indebted $100's billions? Students and parent were/are consumers of educational goods and services, in the market place, with inflating prices, misrepresentations in terms of earning power, and no method to declare bankruptcy, if they got over their head. This consumer scam resulted in hundred of billions of dollar in debt and losses, all with the consumer protection agency looking the other way. The solution was to force the tax payers to pay this back while not including the colleges at the bargaining table. This solution is a secondary consumer rip off, where people who did not even enjoy the source of debt, are is forced to buy into what you do not want. It smells like the Swamp was free to rip off the consumer.

The agency dropped the ball, because it is not really about the consumer. The title is a feel good label to make it sound legitimate. It was set up to be above the law. The Supreme Court needs to ask why they dropped the student loan ball and allowed so many millions of young consumers to get ripped off, with no easy legal way out? What is the real purpose of this agency, and why does it needs to be unaccountable to the appropriation process?

To put this rip off into perspective, say the Auto Makers all decide to run a special for high school and college age students. The special will be new cars, with no money down, and zero interest and payments for four years. After that, you start to pay back the car, but with the stipulation, you cannot declare bankruptcy from the debt.

Young people are optimists, so millions get in on the deal and all get new cars with no immediate expenses. Everyone is having fun cruising the miracle mile over many years. The strong demand, raises the prices, again and again, with the same deal of no payments for four years.

After four years, the cows come home. The students now have a used car, with a large new car payment. Would the consumer protection agency have come in earlier or would they let it ride? Why didn't they do the same for the Big College, debt scam? Was it bribery or was it political pressure from people like Liz Warren, who earned an inflated salary from Harvard, while she was Senator. Is the consumer protection agency really a front for college campaign donation quid pro quo, and other forms of financial donation, swamp quid pro quo? It was set up to be above the law, which was a tell.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/03/1203...s-skeptical-of-a-challenge-to-consumer-agency

There is a Supreme Court case against the Consumer Protection Agency now called the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. This case is not so much about its consumer mission, but more about the way it is funded. Congress is supposed to make laws and decide funding, but this agency gets its money from the Federal Reserve, rather than from the normal annual appropriations process. What that means it they are not accountable to the three branches of government or law, since their are not vulnerable to the annual appropriation process. They can make laws and rules and nothing can be done by the government. This means they can be part of the swamp; above the law. The only way to deal with this rogue agency is the Supreme Court via a Civil Case.

A case in point, that is not part of this particular Supreme Court case, but should make everyone worry, is where was the Consumer Protection Agency when millions of consumers of college goods and services, were being indebted $100's billions? Students and parent were/are consumers of educational goods and services, in the market place, with inflating prices, misrepresentations in terms of earning power, and no method to declare bankruptcy, if they got over their head. This consumer scam resulted in hundred of billions of dollar in debt and losses, all with the consumer protection agency looking the other way. The solution was to force the tax payers to pay this back while not including the colleges at the bargaining table. This solution is a secondary consumer rip off, where people who did not even enjoy the source of debt, are is forced to buy into what you do not want. It smells like the Swamp was free to rip off the consumer.

The agency dropped the ball, because it is not really about the consumer. The title is a feel good label to make it sound legitimate. It was set up to be above the law. The Supreme Court needs to ask why they dropped the student loan ball and allowed so many millions of young consumers to get ripped off, with no easy legal way out? What is the real purpose of this agency, and why does it needs to be unaccountable to the appropriation process?

To put this rip off into perspective, say the Auto Makers all decide to run a special for high school and college age students. The special will be new cars, with no money down, and zero interest and payments for four years. After that, you start to pay back the car, but with the stipulation, you cannot declare bankruptcy from the debt.

Young people are optimists, so millions get in on the deal and all get new cars with no immediate expenses. Everyone is having fun cruising the miracle mile over many years. The strong demand, raises the prices, again and again, with the same deal of no payments for four years.

After four years, the cows come home. The students now have a used car, with a large new car payment. Would the consumer protection agency have come in earlier or would they let it ride? Why didn't they do the same for the Big College, debt scam? Was it bribery or was it political pressure from people like Liz Warren, who earned an inflated salary from Harvard, while she was Senator. Is the consumer protection agency really a front for college campaign donation quid pro quo, and other forms of financial donation, swamp quid pro quo? It was set up to be above the law, which was a tell.
The idea, based on experience, was that a college education pays for itself. Nobody was questioning that at the time. Similar to the real estate bubble, everybody, including the CFPB, assumed that everything would stay the same like in a conservative utopia.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The idea, based on experience, was that a college education pays for itself. Nobody was questioning that at the time. Similar to the real estate bubble, everybody, including the CFPB, assumed that everything would stay the same like in a conservative utopia.
Why didn't anybody bother doing any running calculations, to see the inevitable consumer rip off and study loan crisis, as the Democrats framed it? How can a consumer agency miss hundreds of billions of dollar in debt that compounded over many years, and not get involved? Why aren't the Colleges and Universities, at the consumer protection bargaining table, to address the past and future price gouging, due to the increase demand for education created by Obama and the Democrats?

Even with all the hype about the student loan crisis, the Consumer Protection is not protecting the future students. I hope the Justices at least bring up, dropping the ball; their mission, during the student loan crisis and now with 20/20 hindsight, the Agency is not even making changes to the educating market place, to protect the future students from predatory colleges, who can still price gouge students already on their plan.

Why allow this Agency to be above the law via a funding scam? It appear to be another Democrat shake down racket; cancer covered in chocolate sauce and candy sprinkles. The Democrat young people took a big student loan hit while being indoctrinated in Left run colleges; huge debt, and you are now still protecting those who were paid to protect you, but who instead, are still dropping the ball to cover up for Big Ed? This is called self mutilation. This urge to self mutilate, for the cause, was planted deep in your psyche by unscrupulous psychology.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
This simply shouldn't be a partisan issue as students and their families may or may not affiliate with any politician party.

But stop and think: during the Great Recession, billions were granted to industry to try and keep them afloat, and yet why shouldn't young people and their families get some help because of the results of covid? My relatives in Sweden get their college education "free" as long as they keep up their grades, so what's wrong with us, especially if we want to compete interntionally?
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
and you are now still protecting those who were paid to protect you, but who instead, are still dropping the ball to cover up for Big Ed? This is called self mutilation. This urge to self mutilate, for the cause, was planted deep in your psyche by unscrupulous psychology.
I'm German.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Why didn't anybody bother doing any running calculations, to see the inevitable consumer rip off and study loan crisis, as the Democrats framed it? How can a consumer agency miss hundreds of billions of dollar in debt that compounded over many years, and not get involved? Why aren't the Colleges and Universities, at the consumer protection bargaining table, to address the past and future price gouging, due to the increase demand for education created by Obama and the Democrats?
We agree that the CFPB dropped the ball in this case. What we don't agree on is that that is the Democrats fault. In fact it is ridiculous that pubs attack the CFPB for not doing their job as that is what they always wanted.
Why allow this Agency to be above the law via a funding scam? It appear to be another Democrat shake down racket; cancer covered in chocolate sauce and candy sprinkles.
As has been pointed out in the article, there are numerous other agencies which have the same funding model and it has been so since the founding of the US. And as the CFPB isn't much loved by the pubs, it was a good thing that it's funding is somewhat protected from Congress cutting it down.
Also, it isn't so that the dems love the student debt crisis. Remember that Biden wanted to cancel some of that debt? It were pubs who fought against that so they shouldn't point fingers.
 
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