well yes we do... it is about Gods wisdom at the outset. But when it come to verses 22 onward, it begins to discuss wisdom in light of Gods first creation. Before God created anything, he was all wise, correct? But wisdom is the 'application of knowledge' So how was Gods wisdom expressed before he created anything? It wasnt. You only express wisdom by applying it. And God began to apply his wisdom when he created the first living being who was like himself. That being was Michael the Arch Angel who later became Jesus on earth.
This is why the theme changes at verse 22 and begins to talk in the first person about the beginning of Gods creations.
Prov 8:
22 Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,+
23 From ancient times* I was installed,+
From the start, from times earlier than the earth.+
24 When there were no deep waters,+ I was brought forth,*
When there were no springs overflowing with water.
25 Before the mountains were set in place,
Before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 When he had not yet made the earth and its fields
Or the first clods of earth’s soil.
27 When he prepared the heavens,+ I was there;
When he marked out the horizon* on the surface of the waters,+
28 When he established* the clouds above,
When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29 When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order,+
When he established* the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.+
I was the one he was especially fond of+ day by day;
I rejoiced before him all the time;+
31 I rejoiced over his habitable earth,
And I was especially fond of the sons of men.
We dont view Genesis 1 as the 'creation' of the earth. The earth may not be the oldest planet in the universe, there are literally billions of stars and galaxies and the earth was just one of them created at some unspecified time in the past.
But that verse from Job (
all the sons of God began shouting in applause) shows that when the earth was made habitable for living things, the angels were witnesses and they praised God for the work done to the earth. So obviously other spirits were created before the physical world was created.
Genesis actually indicates that the planet earth was already existing in the universe with all the other planets and stars before it was made habitable.
Gen 1:1 says
'God created the heavens and the earth' The 'heavens' here can only mean the universe with all its stars and planets
Then verse 2 describes a planet which was 'formless and waste and in darkness' and God began to do something with that planet. Jesus did not work alone in this endeavor... Proverbs 8 tells us of a
'master worker' who was beside Jehovah so it was through Jesus that Jehovah put all his creative plans into action.
I dont know a lot about this... its a little above my head unfortunately.
Do you recall the account of Abraham when he was visited by 3 angels? They sat down and ate a meal with him which shows they had real bodies of flesh.
And the account about Jacob wrestling with an angel shows that angels can take on human form.
So it is with the angels back in the days of Noah... they took on human bodies and cohabited with women. Now i cant tell you how they do that, but according to scripture they can do it. Perhaps they have an understanding of how to materialise into a human body, afterall, they were there to witness the creation of the first man and woman, so they must have seen how it is done.
We go back to Proverbs chapter 8 where it says that Gods first created being worked alongside him as a 'master worker'
While the christian scriptures say that all things came into existence through Jesus, they dont say that Jesus did it all on his own. Jehovah issues directions to his angels and they go forth and accomplish tasks and those tasks are said to be done by Jehovah...yet we know that it may have been an angel who actually did the work. For example, the account about the 185,000 Assyrians who were put to death in one night was done by an angle, yet it was God who put them to death.
2 Kings 19
32 “
‘Therefore this is what Jehovah says about the king of As·syrʹi·a:+
“He will not come into this city+Or shoot an arrow there Or confront it with a shield
Or cast up a siege rampart against it.+ 33 By the way he came he will return;
He will not come into this city,” declares Jehovah. 34 “I will defend this city+ and save it for my own sake+ And for the sake of my servant David.”’”+ 35 On that very night the angel of Jehovah went out and struck down 185,000 men in the camp of the As·syrʹi·ans.+ When people rose up early in the morning, they saw all the dead bodies.+
This is the same senario with regard to Christ Jesus. He was the 'master worker' of Proverbs chapter 8. He could not have done all the work alone because God is the creator and God is the life giver. But God delegates tasks to his angels and the task he delegated to his firstborn was that of the creation of everything.
When God said "let us make man in our image', he was speak to that firstborn angelic son and he was directing all the work done by that son.
The Hebrew scriptures tell us that the Messiah would be born through the family of King David... so obviously that messiah had to be a human.
The bible does not specifically state how this transformation took place. But it seems that God transferred the life of his heavenly son into the womb of Mary so that he could be born in human form. And when you think about it, life itself is not dependent on a physical body because the angels are alive yet they have no physical body. And when God created Adam, he first created a physical body without life, then he created a life to put into that body.
So just as Adams body and life were separate things, so too was the life and body of Jesus. This could explain how a heavenly angel can be born as a human. Obviously this is not something which would happen under normal circumstances, but this was a special case of God selecting the most trustworthy and the very best of his sons in order to accomplish the important task of saving mankind from the consequences of Adams sin.
