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Soma

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by The Hammer, May 24, 2022.

  1. The Hammer

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    Great, are they going to market it?
     
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    Probably not. Ask Oregon.
     
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    I wonder what the mycolatry folk make of this
     
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    I do not think so. Soma had golden leaves. Does the mushroom have golden leaves in any season? Just an embroidery is not proof enough. The stalk of the Soma (Haoma) plant was pounded with wood or stone and strained through a woolen cloth. Also mixed with milk, curd or barley water. My vote goes to some variety of Ephedra native to Asia. I have found a few and am checking on that.

    It is so easy. Why not people check on these species, make a concoction in the way described in RigVeda and test? :)

    Actually my supposed progenitor, Upamanyu (that is why my nick is Aupmanyav), wrote part of a hymn in RigVeda in praise of Soma. :)
    Perhaps this one (best guess): Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 9: HYMN XCVIII. Soma Pavamana

    [​IMG] Ephedra sinica
     
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    I'll see if I can get any experimental archaeologists to whip us up a batch :D
     
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    I suppose you would agree that it will be nice, the drink of the Gods.
     
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    Cool. :)
     
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    The candidates are (must be native to Siberia or Central Asia. American Ephedras will not do, nor will those from Africa, Europe, or even those from Iran, Afghanistan and India. They are substitutes. Must be from places where the practice may have started):
    > E. dischatya L., E. gerardiana Wall (Ma Huang), E. intermedia, E. lomatolepis, E. monosperma, E. przewalskii, E. sinica, E. strobilacea.
    We can check these first. In addition, there are some, for whom Wikipedia does not have separate pages. These are:
    > E. aurantiaca, E. botschantzevii, E. dahurica, E. x eleutherolepis, E. equisetina, E. fedtschenkoae, E. major, E. oxyphylla, E. pseudodischatya, E. regeliana,
     
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    I don´t think so. Every time archaeologists don´t know what they are discovering, it all goes into their "physically ritual department" if they aren´t familiar with the mythical contexts, which they aren´t.

    The very mythical definition of "SOMA" is a highly developed stage of consciousness - but yes, several methods and herbs can be used to get in contact with this cosmic consciousness, which is fine - if ones mind is naturally prepared for this. Otherwise it can be a case for psychiatric consultations and treatments.
     
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    IMHO, the archaeologists may be well aware of mythology, but it seems you are not aware of the scientific methods. What you are describing belongs to religious studies - cosmic consciousness.
     
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    I don´t differ between ancient and modern knowledge at all and I can´t help it if modern science and its numerous branches is unable to connect the many relevant dots. Which was exactly the problematics i described above.
     
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    I agree science cannot connect all dots, but it seems you think religion and philosophy connect all dots (even without any evidence)?
     
  14. Native

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    I presume your "Hindu connection" has lots of religious/mythological scriptures of astronomy and cosmology. Even the swastika on your profile image is a cosmological symbol.

    What other evidence do you need?
     
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    Hindu cosmology covers the whole range, from "Eko'ham Bahusyami" (I am one, I will be many) to "Brahma satyam, jagan-mithya" (Brahman alone is truth, the perceived is an illusion).
    Swastika is a social symbol denoting every one's welfare (nothing is excluded, Humans, animals, vegetation and non-living substances). Here is what we term as a "Swasti Vachana" (Prayer for welfare of all):

    "Dyauh shanti rantariksham shantih
    Prithvi shantirapah shantih
    Oshadhayah shantih Vanaspatayah shantih
    Vishvedevah shantih Brahma shantih
    Sarvam shantih Shantireva shantih
    Sama shantiredhih
    Shantih, shantih, shantih!"


    May peace radiate there in the whole sky as well as in the vast ethereal space everywhere.
    May peace reign all over this earth, in water and in all herbs, trees and creepers.
    May peace flow over the whole universe.
    May peace be in the Supreme Being Brahman.
    And may there always exist in all peace and peace alone.
    Shanti, Shanti, Shanti to us and all beings!
     
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    I agree in the Brahma is the spiritually and universal truth, hence "the perceived is an illusion" ONLY if somebody take the material world to be the only truth.
    The Swastika symbolizes the very barred Milky Way galaxy itself as this was the primary object in the numerous ancient cultural Stories of Creation and everything created in this - http://www.native-science.net/index.html - (available only from Wednesday 6/1-22)

    Aupmanyav, it´s a very nice praying, indeed.
     
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    :) In my world view, I am constituted by what constitutes all things in the universe. If I am that, then, to whom do I pray to? Ishavasya Upanishad says:

    "andhaṁ tamaḥ praviśanti ye vidyām upāsate; tato bhūya iva te tamo ya avidyāyāṁ ratāḥ."
    Into a blind darkness they enter who worship the existent, they fall into a greater darkness who worship the non-existent.
    (Aupmanyav's translation)
     
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