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Should science be considered a religion?

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Booko

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logician

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AN atheist can be ever as bit as moral as a theist, even more so in many cases, as they are not weighed down by the prejudice of religion.
 

Pah

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Originally Posted by Bright-ness' Shadow
Truth is qualitative. Religion lacks any relevant means to verify any personal, subjective faith
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All assertion and no facts presented. Typical. Science answers "how" and religion answers "why". There are MILLIONS of people for whom religion provides a very relevant means to justify their personal and subjective faith. Your failure to make the connection has little to do with reality.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31688
Not all criteria have equal validity or value; while some are adequate, others are of questionable worth.
Science uses Coherence - religion uses
Custom. Many persons either knowingly or unwittingly employ custom as a criterion of truth, assuming that doing what is customary will not lead them too far astray. The admonition, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do," expresses an appeal to custom as a criterion, particularly in matters involving the determination of moral truth. Thus people adhere closely to custom as a criterion when they dress as others dress, use expressions which are in vogue, practice moral principles currently approved -in other words, do whatever is popular.
Custom scarcely merits serious consideration as a criterion of lruth. Surely, a scientist oblaining evidence of facts or principles. could never accept conflicting customs of majorities, or of minorities either, as a test. A public opinion poll can never be the best way to determine scientific truths.
Tradition. Closely allied to custom as a proposed test of truth is tradition, the notion that what lasts for generations must be valid. Those who accept tradition as a criterion may defend their view on the ground that any practice which has gained the loyalty of succeeding generations must deserve a measure of credibility.
The same objections to custom as a standard of truth apply to tradition as well. Many traditions merely repeat what is false (consider, for example, the innumerable false traditions of primitive tribes) and, moreover, traditions often conflict with one another. It is clear that science cannot accept tradition as its test of truth.
Time. Perhaps you have heard some person in a debate appeal to time as the test of truth, arguing with statements such as, "My belief has stood the test of time," or "Christianity must be true, for . it has stood the test of time." The logic of such argument is based on the assumption that if a belief is really erroneous, the error will sooner or later come to light, whereas, if there is nothing wrong with the belief, the mere passage of time cannot destroy its validity.
Time is not an adequate test of truth. It is closely related to custom and tradition, which, in fact, are simply aspects of the time factor. The inadequacy of time as a criterion becomes apparent if we note that many errors have lasted for a very long time before being exposed as errors. The most absurd superstitions have endured throughout generations, centuries, even millenia. Surely, modern peoples who believe in the truth of a great religion, such as Christianity, would not give up their beliefs and change to some other system of religion which happened to be hundreds or perhaps thousands of years older than their own religion.
Feelings (Emotions). Many individuals faced with the necessity of making a decision allow their emotions to sway them despite contrary evidence or without even attempting to obtain and evaluate evidence. Such people are implicitly accepting emotions as a test of truth. Too many depend upon subjective feelings as a guide to a great variety of situations, ranging from trivial problems of everyday living to the most serious problems of the community.
Most people today, however, will admit that they cannot trust their emotions in important matters. Thus the experienced business executive ignores his feelings and searches for facts when making investments. The scientist, physician, historian, and scholars in other fields have similarly learned to ignore subjective reactions of this kind.
Intuition[/B] as a criterion of truth suffers from two major objections: (1) It is not available when needed; it cannot be depended upon in given situations in the same or at least similar manner that reason may be employed. (2) Intuitions are, at best, potential sources of truth, not tests; when a person claims to have an intuition, he should immediately test it in order to determine whether it is true or false.
Revelation. The main difference between intuition and revelation is the fact that the source of intuition is unknown, whereas the source of revelation is assumed to be God. Revelation may be defined as a truth or disclosure which emanates from God. Many religions rely heavily upon the validity of revelation as a criterion of truth.
The adverse criticism stated above in regard to intuition holds good for revelation as well. When a person possesses what he claims to be a revelation, it is incumbent upon him to prove it, and the standard to which he appeals as the test consequently becomes his criterion. An individual may accept revelation as a source of some truths, but he cannot depend on such experience as a means of demonstrating to others the validity of his beliefs.
Majority Rule. The criterion of majority rule is a statistical basis for the acceptance of assertions or proposals. In democratic countries and organizations, majority vote is accepted by all members of a group as a guide to joint decisions. This is particularly true during enactment of laws pertaining to personal morality and social behavior. Often, however, a democratic community, divided into several opposing factions, must be content with a mere plurality.
Although a majority vote is good democratic procedure, it is not the best system for determining truth. Think what would happen if a scientist tried to arrive at conclusions by means of a majority vote-if, for example, an astronomer took a vote among the general population to ascertain whether assertions about the planets or stars were to be accepted as true or rejected as false.
You can see that religion has very little going for it in establishing truth.

Science can not be considered a religion.

Originally Posted by Bright-ness' Shadow
Describe "faith" and how it contrasts to "belief".
Here is the very first entry from www.Dictionary.com:

1.confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
There no contrast to "belief" given. Please answer the request in regard to religion and not the profane
Originally Posted by Bright-ness' Shadow
Getting personal here, aren't we? Could we stick to ideas instead of a hackneyed diatribe? The mantra of "bias/hatred" is as boring as it is in error. It converges upon a personal attack.
You use inflammatory language and expect me to not take it personally? Then you complain about it and use more hostile language. Yeah, your anti-religion bias is showing. Perhaps like a pimple on your nose, you can't see it. Rest assured I find it distracting.
I'll let the mod's sort this one out

Originally Posted by Bright-ness' Shadow
Would you care to show faith is not an acceptance of myth? Would you care to show that religion is not a formalized, man-made concept, infused with strategies to strengthen and prolong the acceptance of myth?
We did that by mere definition. But this is about science being a religion. Since it accepts myths as you claim religions do, then it is indeed a religion. Thanks for pointing that out.
The definition given was for common faith. Religious faith hardly qualifies as common.

There is still an issue here that has not been shown - the assertion that science has myth.

Science can not be considered a religion! Science is built on a solid bed rock of truth.

FWIW, the rest does not merit any comment.
I'll take that as a "poor man's" concession.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Science uses Coherence - religion usesYou can see that religion has very little going for it in establishing truth.
A contention with NO supporting evidence. Please put some effort in this.
Science can not be considered a religion.
Yet another contention with no supporting evidence. I see many people who worship at the alter of science. For them it is the only religion they know.
There no contrast to "belief" given. Please answer the request in regard to religion and not the profane
I answered the part of the question I though pertinent. Deal with what you have. "belief" is not germane to this conversation.
The definition given was for common faith. Religious faith hardly qualifies as common.
So you don't deny that they use faith. We are making progress here, albeit slowly.
There is still an issue here that has not been shown - the assertion that science has myth.
You have yet to prove that about religion... I am merely using the same level of evidence you seem to employ. Well, that's not entirely true. I have at least given SOME supporting evidence. Science once held that the earth was made of merely four elements and that the earth was flat. Sounds like myths to me.
Science can not be considered a religion! Science is built on a solid bed rock of truth.
Bwahahahahaha! Not a scientist, are we! The only thing funnier than that statement is that it could have been made by a preacher about the Bible. See, Science IS a religion with the same mindless devotion to that "solid bed rock of truth". Bwahahahahaha! That really made my day: thanks!

I'll take that as a "poor man's" concession.
It was a dismissal of your vapid thought process. Geeez Louise, you can't even get THAT right.
 
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