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Sexism & Christianity

Thana

Lady
I've been curious, Since I've met a lot of Christians with a lot of different opinions on this subject.

What are you views on women in the bible, How the bible expects one to treat women and Do you find women to be equal to men in marriage (Concerning Ephesian 5: 21-33).

And also, Concerning Catholics, Do you find it wrong that women are not allowed to become priests? (1 Tim. 2:11–14)

Or do you believe that men and women are all just individuals, Whereas the spirit has no gender?

Discuss :rolleyes:
 
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ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
It all depends on how you read into it. The Tanakh (which is the OT) has females working for G-D: Deborah, Esther, Ruth, etc. Jesus had a lot of female followers in the Christian scriptures. Only Paul seems to take exception to women.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Sexism within Christianity is really all about sexism in Hellenism, which included Christianity, Judaism, and the various pagan religions of the time, as well as secular laws, including the Greek gynaikonomoi. The supposed "inferiority of women" was deeply engrained in the Hellenistic culture. See this post from another thread:

Women’s Role in Hellenistic Times



The common woman’s role within Hellenistic society was extremely inferior to the role that men played. Compared to other periods of history, the role of common middle class women during the Hellenistic time period is hard to define. It is most clearly defined in the papyri recording their marriages. The marriage document is one of the only sources that can tell historians what life was like for the common women. Of course, depending on location and time period, each lifestyle varies a little bit, but one thing remains constant; common women lived in the shadow of their husbands.

Women were seen as subservient to men. There were boundaries set upon them that dealt with their interactions with men publicly, privately, domestically and politically, (Burton, 41). In the book Women and Society, it was noted that women had little legal independence and were expected to be under the control of their fathers and then their husbands throughout their life, (Rowlandson, 162). This was accomplished by the need to give women legal guardians before they married. The guardian was usually the woman’s father. If the father had passed on already then the brother or oldest living male relative took the place of guardian. The guardian played an essential role when it came time to writing out the marriage contract. Greek law states that women were not able to sign contracts, not even personal documents such as the marriage document, (Pomeroy, 89). The woman’s guardian would sign in her place and the groom would sign in his own respective area, (Pomeroy, 89). Marriage contracts were written on sheets of papyrus and usually they were used in the ritual of marriage by the citizens of the Greek cities of Ptolemais, Naucratis and other medium sized Greek settlements scattered throughout Egypt, (Pomeroy, 83). The marriage contract was a legally binding contract that mapped out all of the couple’s expectations of the marriage.

An example of what type of expectations that were agreed upon within the papyri can be found when reading P. Elephantine 1=Chrest. Milt. I 283= Select Papyri. This is a marriage contract between a man and a woman, although the woman is never mentioned in it as making any decisions. In her place, her guardian who is her father is named. The bride and groom did not decide on where they would live and spend their life together. In the bride’s place her father decided alongside of the groom, (Pomeroy, 86). Later on, the papyri states that if the woman shall bring any shame or dishonor to her husband during the marriage and the husband can prove this dishonor to a panel of 3 men. Then the woman would loose all of her possessions that she brought into the marriage, (Pomeroy, 86).

The papyri are the only ancient sources that show the extreme difference in treatment of the men and women within marriage. Sex roles were defined in the papyri and women were expected to function in different spheres than the men, (Pomeroy, 83). Sirach wrote about the need to keep the wife at home in order to keep patrilineage from interfering, (King, 271).
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Reinforcing the "inferiority of women" in the early Christian church was part of the culture war going on at the time. (Another example of the culture war in the early Christian church was the Jewish Christians wanting the gentile Christians to follow the OT Jewish cultural/dietary edicts, etc)
 
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Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
I've been curious, Since I've met a lot of Christians with a lot of different opinions on this subject.

What are you views on women in the bible, How the bible expects one to treat women and Do you find women to be equal to men in marriage (Concerning Ephesian 5: 21-33).

And also, Concerning Catholics, Do you find it wrong that women are not allowed to become priests? (1 Tim. 2:11–14)

Or do you believe that men and women are all just individuals, Whereas the spirit has no gender?

Discuss :rolleyes:

Women are treated normally according to the values of the culture(s) of that time. Which is little more than animals, to be honest. This is why god was invented as a man. Nobody would ever accept a female god. Women do not have positions of power and authority in that culture.

I believe if men could give birth, it would have been the Virgin Monty and not the Virgin Mary.
 

nazz

Doubting Thomas
Jesus made it clear he rejected the double standard of his religious culture. He treated women the same as men which was quite scandalous. Men and women were on equal footing in the early church. As crossfire pointed out this changed under Hellenistic influence and this is reflected in the texts of the NT.
 
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