Science and hell

[ElishaElijah]

The (not really) funny part, is that I actually had a drug problem in the past and gotten over it and actually have been part of initiatives where I actually did volunteer to counsel drug addicts and help them overcome it. Successfully. I didn't need a bible to do it. Or any beliefs in anything "magical" or "supernatural" or whatever.

Wow man good for you and happy for you! Also great that you’re helping other people.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I accept that you believe that you do.
But clearly, you are incorrect.

Being or becoming a christian (or religious in general) is demonstrably not at all required to overcome psychological problems, addictions, what-have-you.

The games not over yet, the final play is when you die and then find out. For me that day is going to be a celebration.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Don’t know that guy, but I do have the ability to test if that

No, you don't.

You can only take his word for it.
Just like one can only take your word for it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Wow man good for you and happy for you! Also great that you’re helping other people.

Thank you, but I would have preferred you to stay on topic and instead of "congratulating" me, acknowledge the fact that your "argument" has been shown to be invalid.

If you becoming sober with religion is evidence for your religion, then me becoming sober without religion should count as evidence against religion.

Otherwise, it's an intellectually dishonest case of "tails I win, heads you lose".


In actuality, off course, neither is true. Religion helped you find motivation for giving up drugs / drinking. This is true REGARDLESS of the religion being accurate or not.

You being succesful in getting sober HAS NO BEARING on the validity of your religion. At all. Not even remotely.

If you insist otherwise, then I'm just going to insist that me getting sober without religion is evidence against religion - and accuse you of holding a double standard.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The games not over yet, the final play is when you die and then find out. For me that day is going to be a celebration.

More mere beliefs.
Along with a total lack of acknowledgement that your silly fallacious argument has been shown invalid.


Yawn.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Thank you, but I would have preferred you to stay on topic and instead of "congratulating" me, acknowledge the fact that your "argument" has been shown to be invalid.

If you becoming sober with religion is evidence for your religion, then me becoming sober without religion should count as evidence against religion.

Otherwise, it's an intellectually dishonest case of "tails I win, heads you lose".


In actuality, off course, neither is true. Religion helped you find motivation for giving up drugs / drinking. This is true REGARDLESS of the religion being accurate or not.

You being succesful in getting sober HAS NO BEARING on the validity of your religion. At all. Not even remotely.

If you insist otherwise, then I'm just going to insist that me getting sober without religion is evidence against religion - and accuse you of holding a double standard.

You missed the point ***MOD EDIT***

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You missed the point

You've been avoiding just about every point I made.

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