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Sarkozy elected French president

jonny

Well-Known Member
The French elected an American-friendly president. The Germans also recently elected a chancellor who is friendly to the United States...

It looks like at least some in Europe grew tired of the anti-American rhetoric that has been spouted by many European leaders in the past years. Sarkozy claims that America has a friend in France. I hope he keeps his word.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6630797.stm
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
hmmmm.

I wonder why there are no posts in this thread. People are so quick to crap on America in this forum... who would think that gaining friends and allies would be such bad news.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
article said:
He said the US could count on France's friendship, but urged Washington to take a lead in the fight against climate change.

This is wonderful that a conservative is pushing to have this recognized and still wants to be friends with the US. That is a good start in my mind. :)
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
This is wonderful that a conservative is pushing to have this recognized and still wants to be friends with the US. That is a good start in my mind. :)

I still think it's funny that European conservatives are equivalent to American liberals. :D

I'm looking forward to future relations with the rest of the world in the upcoming years. (Putin, Bush, Chirac, and Blair will all be gone, and maybe even John Howard).
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
Who is John Howard?

I'm excited for Chirac & Putin to be done, but waiting to see who replaces Putin to see if it will be any good. The government in Russia seems so corrupt. I'm not sure if it just the image of them in the media or if it really is that bad.
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
Who is John Howard?

I'm excited for Chirac & Putin to be done, but waiting to see who replaces Putin to see if it will be any good. The government in Russia seems so corrupt. I'm not sure if it just the image of them in the media or if it really is that bad.

Howard is the PM of Australia and from what I have seen he is a pretty straight shooter as far as politicians go. GC doesn't like him because he supported the war on terror I imagine.

I am with you on Chirac and Putin, although I will be interested to see how long it takes for Putin to go and how fair and open the election is to replace him.
 

lombas

Society of Brethren
My southern neighbors have chosen Sarkozy, well, they had little choice. Bayrou would've been better in my opinion.

He's an Anglophile, but don't expect him to support any of the US' military expeditions.
 

Ody

Well-Known Member
I'm excited for Chirac & Putin to be done, but waiting to see who replaces Putin to see if it will be any good.

It will be another Tsar in a president's clothing. Not much more to expect.
 

Faminedynasty

Active Member
The French elected an American-friendly president.
Is he called American-friendly because he is conservative? And presumably Royal hates America because she is a socialist? Are all liberals anti-american and all conservatives pro-american? Is that how we are defining the terms?
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
Is he called American-friendly because he is conservative? And presumably Royal hates America because she is a socialist? Are all liberals anti-american and all conservatives pro-american? Is that how we are defining the terms?

no. actually, Sarkosy gave his acceptance speech and said "America can count on France as an allie." (sp?)

That is how we know that Sarkosy is pro-american.


read the news. It's been all over the papers for two days now.
 

Faminedynasty

Active Member
I am well aware of the news. My point is that France would have been a US aly under Royal or virtually any other viable candidate. Sarkosy is called pro-american on Fox news because he is conservative.
 

lombas

Society of Brethren
I am well aware of the news. My point is that France would have been a US aly under Royal or virtually any other viable candidate. Sarkosy is called pro-american on Fox news because he is conservative.

From Sarkozy's victory speech:

I want to issue an appeal to our American friends, to tell them that they can count on our friendship, which has been forged in the tragedies of history which we have faced together.

I think he's referring to French help during the American War of Independence and American help during the Second World War, among others.

Royal's youth campaign leader said (I paraphrase): "Sarkozy is a Bushist. If he gets elected, France will support American imperialism." Now that doesn't seem like Royal would be a big fan, now does it?
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
I am well aware of the news. My point is that France would have been a US aly under Royal or virtually any other viable candidate. Sarkosy is called pro-american on Fox news because he is conservative.

how do you know that is the reason?

What on earth would make you think he wasn't called pro-american because he is..... well.... pro-american?
 

Faminedynasty

Active Member
how do you know that is the reason?
What on earth would make you think he wasn't called pro-american because he is..... well.... pro-american?
It's an issue of wordplay and of framing the story. Let's say I get elected to congress and the news outlet that functions as my minister of propaganda issues a story titled "Finally, a non-terrorist, non-child molestor elected to represent the 5th district!" It doesn't take much critical thinking to find that the implication is A)my predecessor was a child molesting terrorist, and B) my oponent in the election was presumably a child molesting terrorist. Presumably Charac and Royal are represented as anti-American by first the notion that a pro-american has finally been elected and second that presumably an anti-American could very well have been elected. The second presumption there is necessary for it to have been a story at all. Otherwise we could have asserted that a pro-American candidate would be elected as soon as it became clear that all the viable candidates would in fact be US allies. Which obviously is the case. No one prominent, as far as I know, was rallying to invade or bomb the United States in the French elections.
Do you consider America to be imperialist is the proper question. Also do you support American foreign policy?
I don't think that anyone competent would deny that the United States took on much of the imperial responsibilities which Britain lost post WW2. I'm certain that no one can deny that the seizing of the continental United States was imperialist, unless there are still some proponents of manifest destiny around somewhere. For the most part, modern imperialism is not like old fasioned colonialism but is generally economic imperialism. And the United States is certainly not solely responsible for that. All in all, there are people with special influence over the US government who are imperialists, and there are anti-Imperialists as well. Some citizens hold imperialist views and some hold anti-imperialist views. As in so many others ways America itself is so massive and diverse as to be hard to define. My answer is yes and no.
As to your second question, like most reasonably well informed Americans I support certain foreign policy descisions and disagree with others. And I most certainly do not believe that not supporting a disastrous and shameful war of agression in Iraq makes me unamerican, nor do I hold it against any of our allies who did not support the war. You can't hold it against your friends when they are right.
lombas said:
Are you the US government?
Good question. The extent to which we have a representative democracy is the extent to which I am. I vote and pay my taxes. And I work for a state government subject to the federal government. That being said, I say again, I am neither a Bushist nor an imperialist and I would criticize someone for being either. Am I unfriendly to America?
 
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