Reform Feminism!

[dust1n]

I'm going to hold you to this.

I've quoted feminists who said derogatory and hateful things about men and then was told they're not true feminists because feminism isn't like that. It's the old "no true Scotsman" argument, clearly at odds with what you just said, but I'll bring this up in the future.

I have no idea what you are trying to say to me.

 

[Question_love_act]

Good point. A name change is a good idea.

I never set my mind on this. Sometimes I think that a change of name is a good idea, because language shapes thought and would help to include men.

However, I fear that we forget the history of feminism and break too much with the movement's continuity (though this continuity never excluded changes) by changing its name.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I never set my mind on this. Sometimes I think that a change of name is a good idea, because language shapes thought and would help to include men.

However, I fear that we forget the history of feminism and break too much with the movement's continuity (though this continuity never excluded changes) by changing its name.

I will say that I side more with feminists on most issues than I do with MRAs. Yes, I can recognize that men and boys have pressing issues that need to be addressed, but I often see MRA discussions descending into crass sexism. The misandry in feminism pretty much only comes from second wave radical feminists who are stuck in the '60s and '70s and are largely relegated to the fringe.

 

[Question_love_act]

The misandry in feminism pretty much only comes from second wave radical feminists who are stuck in the '60s and '70s and are largely relegated to the fringe.

Totally agree, that's what I tell people when they pretend that feminism is sexist.

But what is an MRA exactly? :sorry1: (I was looking for a shy smiley and that's the closest I could find!)

I know about masculinist and equigenderist movements, are either one of those MRA?

 

[Question_love_act]

A feminazi is any feminist a man doesn't like.

:biglaugh:

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Totally agree, that's what I tell people when they pretend that feminism is sexist.

But what is an MRA exactly? :sorry1: (I was looking for a shy smiley and that's the closest I could find!)

I know about masculinist and equigenderist movements, are either one of those MRA?

It stands for Men's Rights Activism. They're kind of strange. They do bring up some valid concerns but then they tend to blame everything on feminism and women. At worst, they're full-blown woman bashers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement

 

[Question_love_act]

Thank you in the francophone world, they are called "masculinists".

Indeed, from what I saw, some of them are saying that the Western societies are now matriarchic :biglaugh:

Of course, a society can radically change systems in less than a century! (If you take as true the supposition that our societies are supposedly equalitarian since the 70s.)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Thank you in the francophone world, they are called "masculinists".

Indeed, from what I saw, some of them are saying that the Western societies are now matriarchic :biglaugh:

Of course, a society can radically change systems in less than a century! (If you take as true the supposition that our societies are supposedly equalitarian since the 70s.)

LOL. Well, that movement is basically a backlash against feminism. Sure, I criticize some aspects of feminism (I like some like some criticisms of feminism that come from individualist feminists, for one) but they're just overboard. Just angry boys who haven't been able to deal with change.

We're hardly a matriarchy. Lmao!

I think you might enjoy this site: http://manboobz.com/ It criticizes the zanier parts of the so-called "manosphere". It can be pretty graphic at times, so beware. I just found it and I love it. It's run by a guy, too.