Origion question

[HLK]

Recently, someone has told me this online, and I quote:

I can actually disprove God.

God is the one who created all existence, therefore there can exist nothing that he didn't create. He couldn't create himself, so his existence is simply paradoxical.

Now, can someone prove this guy wrong?

 

[Feathers in Hair]

He's referring to one specific God, I take it? (Welcome to the forums, by the way. )

I really don't care about proving 'this guy' wrong, but you might want to mention to him that not all theists believe that a deity created all existence.

 

[Aqualung]

God created all that exists in our world. I think somebody created God, though.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I cant directly prove him wrong, but I can put him into a stalemate.

If there was no higher being to create everything, then how did a big rock create itself, and then itself. If there was nothing but a vast nothingness, how could particles of dust be created, to create on massive rock. And then for there to be fire, you must first have oxygen. How did the molucules of oxygen create themeselves?

 

[chuck010342]

I can prove him wrong. God didn't create all. God only created this world and the spiritual worlds. So that wouldn't exculde himself but only this physical world and the spiritual worlds.

 

[Merlin]

God created all that exists in our world. I think somebody created God, though.

Sorry, but that doesn't help. If somebody created God, who created the someone that created God?

 

[Merlin]

I can prove him wrong. God didn't create all. God only created this world and the spiritual worlds. So that wouldn't exculde himself but only this physical world and the spiritual worlds.

You are all assuming time is linear.

What created the beginning of a circle? There is no beginning, and there is no end. If time is not linear, the question does not arise.

 

[Aqualung]

Sorry, but that doesn't help. If somebody created God, who created the someone that created God?

It goes back infinitely

 

[Engyo]

I am curious as to why it needs to be proven or disproven. Is this really going to make any difference in your daily life, or in mine? How can it?

 

[Merlin]

It goes back infinitely

Who says?

 

[JerryL]

If God is the one who created all existence,
and If God is part of existance,
then God created himself

If self-creation is paradoxical,
then the above God is paradoxical.

Of course, you must satisfy the "if"s to worry about the "then"s.

 

[Murf661]

Yeah its like the question:
If god is all powerful, and he can do anything...Can he create a rock so big that he can't pick it up?

No matter what you answer, god is "proven" to not be all powerful, all you have done is to put 'god' into a position that no matter what he/she/it does it is wrong...

...If u get my meaning....

 

[Scuba Pete]

God explained his presence pretty nicely:

"I am".

Hard to argue with logic like that.

 

[Scott1]

"I am".

No argument here....In the creation of the world and of man, God gave the first and universal witness to his almighty love and his wisdom, the first proclamation of the "plan of his loving goodness", which finds its goal in the new creation in Christ.

 

[gtrsgrls]

Now, can someone prove this guy wrong?[/QUOTE] No,we don't have to he did it himself.He stated that nothing can be created without God.Right?He then said that God couldn't have created himself.Right?Well if both of these are true than none of us actually exist.We're in a dream world!But wait...who created this dream world?I have repedatly thought of this argument but I always have to say-It had to start somewhere!

 

[Darkdale]

The Universe has always existed. It needs no creation or beginning. Energy can neither be created or destroyed.

 

[Scuba Pete]

The Universe has always existed. It needs no creation or beginning. Energy can neither be created or destroyed.

I'm sure you have the original warranty and invoice for it.

 

[gtrsgrls]

The Universe has always existed. It needs no creation or beginning. Energy can neither be created or destroyed.

That's retarded!Everything has to have had a beggining.Can you tell me who created space?It can't have just appeared there.(like everything else did...sarcasm)

 

[Scott1]

I'm sure you have the original warranty and invoice for it.

I'm sure.... when making assumptions, if you toss in a bit of science it makes it sound "official".

 

[Darkdale]

I'm sure you have the original warranty and invoice for it.

Not needed. There is literally no reason to believe the universe was created. It's a totally unnecessary premise. I do enjoy listening to arguments for why the universe must have been created though, they are always fairly creative. I especially like the "Big Bang" something came from nothing argument. lol it's even funnier than the "God did it" argument.