Perhaps before the flood the polar bears lived in Iraq and they only went to the Arctic once the flood was over
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Noah's Ark
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The original myth was the Sumerian flood myth from ~2700 BCE likely rooted in a catastrophic flood of the Tigris Euphrates Rivers dated 2844 BCE by geologic evidence.
Subduction Zone
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I am in! Recently there was supposed to be a new "Noah's Ark" movie released to theaters that was "more true to scripture". That was just last month or so. I saw the news on a Facebook discussion site. It must have severely tanked because I have not heard anything of it since.
You on the other hand may have laid the foundations for a blockbuster.
Subduction Zone
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This one:
Yes, Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth | National Center for Science Education
Introduction The Bible (Genesis 6–9) describes a worldwide flood (the Noachian Flood) covering even the highest mountains of the earth and the construction of a huge boat (a rectangular box-like craft) that transported animals, at least two of a kind of all land animals on the earth.
I don't think polar bears like being used to justify the Noah flood.Perhaps before the flood the polar bears lived in Iraq and they only went to the Arctic once the flood was over
They claim to have found the Noah's Arc, but it is made of stone.
So there are actual real people who think Noah's Ark was real but made of stone???????
Subduction Zone
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To be fair they think that it somehow fossilized very quickly. Though what was found was an anticline. Just a natural fold in the rock strata.
Unfortunately the authors of the Pentateuch, NT and the Church Fathers literally considered it a world flood the whole world.
Yes many ancient cultures have records and memories of a catastrophic floods, but they have been documented as natural floods of specific cause at different times in history. In China a catastrophic flood of Yellow river. In the Pacific Coast of North America, Japan, Southeast Asia and Formosa Tsunamis and Tidal waves
The basis for the original Sumerian myth that the Biblical myth is based on is the documented catastrophic Tigris Euphrates River flood dated 2844 BCE.
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See post#29. There is no truth in the myth.
Laniakea
Not of this world
He wouldn't need to. All that is needed is a pair of Bears, which could be any type of bear. Variations in types wouldn't need to be included, just as domesticated cats of all types, lions, leopards, mountain lions, etc. aren't needed. Just one type. Dogs as well. Just a pair of wolves would be enough.
Subduction Zone
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Do you realize that you are a "type of monkey"? You are supporting evolution on a massive scale.
The study of genetics alone refutes the flood myth. Though it was early Christian geologists that first refuted it.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Care to support your opinion with scientific research?
Many fundamentalists think they found the Noah's Ark on Mount Ariate, but when they went there it was a natural rock formation. Some still claim that it is the petrified location of the Ark, It in reality is a natural folded sedimentary rock formation.
Samples from ‘Noah’s Ark’ site in Turkey reveal human activity dating back to biblical era, scientists claim
It may just be a discovery of biblical proportions.
nypost.com
Scientists have placed humans at the site of what is believed to be the “ruins of Noah’s Ark,” in the eastern mountains of Turkey.
The findings, released earlier this week, of rock and soil samples determined that “clayey materials, marine materials and seafood” were present in the area between 5500 and 3000 BC, according to the Turkish newspaper Hürriyet.
The study is comprised of three Turkish and American universities that have been investigating the theory of the site since 2021.
7A new study on rock samples from the supposed resting site of “Noah’s Ark” in Turkey, has determined there was “human activities” at the time of “The Flood.”
Note: Human activity around this site and the region have evidence of human activity before and after the supposed date of the Noah flood
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Subduction Zone
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Let me give you a specific example. When a population of animals is greatly reduced that leaves an event that can be detected by genetics. It is called a population bottleneck. Most populations have quite a bit of genetic diversity. That can be measured today since we can sequence the genome of any organism. By comparing genetic differences between organisms scientists can estimate populations in the past. That is done by using various factors such as the rate of mutations per generation, current size, current genetic diversity etc.. There are some animals that almost went extinct in the past but recovered. One extreme examples are cheetahs. About ten thousand years ago they got down to an almost Noah's Ark level of population. Less than ten breeding adults were thought to have existed for a while. As a result Cheetahs are extremely inbred. They are so closely related to each other that a skin graft from one cheetah will not be rejected by another one. That is an organ transplant and you should know how difficult organ transplants are among humans. But it also means that they still have problems breeding successfully. Any cheetah that one sees is apt to be more closely related to it genetically than you are to your own brothers or sisters. It gives "incest" a whole new meaning:
Dating the genetic bottleneck of the African cheetah.
The cheetah is unusual among fields in exhibiting near genetic uniformity at a variety of loci previously screened to measure population genetic diversity. It has been hypothesized that a demographic crash or population bottleneck in the recent history ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Tamino
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There are some reported cases where some pets have traveled long distances finding their way home.
It is a known fact that animals can travel across country from one point to another, they call it migration.
So isn't it possible that the polar bears just walked back home?
Shadow Wolf
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I'd be surprised if that isn't a fringe view.
Shadow Wolf
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That is astounding. If YECs understood medical biology at all amd just a shred of knowledge of organs transplants they'd understand the profound implications that has towards throwing out their argument of kinds because human relatives aren't even a sure thing. It reveals such inbreeding for cheetahs that if the Adam and Eve story happening 10,000 years ago is true then we humans would have a far easier time with our own organ transplants. But we're so old and genetically diverse that for us a successful organ transplant is like winning a lottery (and it also also means while some humans have tried to keep to their own tribe lots and bunches of our ancestors didn't).
Subduction Zone
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I do not think that it ever caught on, but in the world of creationists Conservapedia is not exactly fringe.
By what I know, pandas can eat also other food, they just nowadays choose to eat bamboo normally.
But, I think in that time, there were no pandas as we know them, there were the ancestor of pandas, that was also the ancestor of all other bears. And the ancestor bear probably could have eaten food that is easier to get, like for example fish from outside of the Ark. Also, it is possible that the bear pair was not fully grown and could have had for example milk from cows in the beginning of the journey.