1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

New computers....

Discussion in 'Consumer Affairs' started by Thief, Jul 9, 2015.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,065
    Ratings:
    +3,490
    I've had two Toshibas over the past two years.
    They play nice but go out like expensive light bulbs.

    I now have an HP....and find it slow and cumbersome.

    I'm not computer savy......so....

    Could the previous losses have been prevented?
    Could the previous items be restored?
    and if ever I get another (and you know I will).....what do you recommend?
     
  2. beenherebeforeagain

    beenherebeforeagain Rogue Animist
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2011
    Messages:
    17,435
    Ratings:
    +5,342
    Religion:
    Modern Animist
    Q1: perhaps. Best way to prevent losses is an external backup or two: I use a removable jump drive to keep my current stuff on, and periodically back it and the laptop to the external hard drive. Other people like cloud storage, and there are a number of services available that do that.
    Q2: it's possible; there are several companies and several software packages that claim to be able to recover data from dead hard drives. Not always, not always 100 percent when they can, and it tends to be very expensive if you have to send it away.
    Q3: I guess I've been lucky with my computers over the years--I'm on a 3-year-old toshiba right now that is still very healthy, according to the tech who installed the larger hard drive. Most of mine have lasted 8-10 years--and I learned my lesson years ago about keeping files backed up!

    Good luck!
     
  3. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,065
    Ratings:
    +3,490
    my Toshibas simply went black screen.
    burned out like light bulb?
    or could this be hacking?
     
  4. Nietzsche

    Nietzsche The Last Prussian
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2010
    Messages:
    6,669
    Ratings:
    +6,910
    Religion:
    Heathen King
    LCDs and other such screens don't 'burn out' like that. At least, not before 4-5 years have passed.

    ...no. That's..not how hacking works.
     
  5. Nada

    Nada #

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,467
    Ratings:
    +973
    Religion:
    #
    Do these computers still turn on?Not the screen but the actual tower? If so you could easily retrieve the info on the internal hard drive with a SATA.
     
  6. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,065
    Ratings:
    +3,490
    These were laptops.
    The first went dead outright.....no response even at Office Max.
    The second has a dead screen but an active battery.....no keyboard.

    forgive me if I seem antique.....what is sata?

    there was a HP with a tower before the laptops.
    it died a slow and ugly death....
    first the loss of files....
    then a crumpled appearance on the boot up screen.
    like someone took the picture on a piece of paper ...crushed it....and put it back on screen.
    there was even an old DOS that displayed the computer's details and origin...
    that screen lost letters and spelling...
    and then odd characters appeared (little smiley faces and playing card symbols.)
    The last time I turned it on only the crumpled Windows logo appeared.
    dead keyboard.
     
    #6 Thief, Jul 9, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2015
  7. Nada

    Nada #

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,467
    Ratings:
    +973
    Religion:
    #
    SATA is a device that you hook up to your internal hard drive.It hooks up easy with 2 small cables.The other end has a usb.It has a power cord too.You can hook up your internal hard drive to this, and retrieve all your info from it, and dump it, via usb, onto another pc, or back up drive.You can buy them foe like $30.00 at a pc store.



    [​IMG]




    Ps.I would go MAC.

    [​IMG]

    Pss.If you cannot do it with the SATA then that means you have to have the hard drive opened and surgery must be performed in an ionized environment as to not damage the internal parts with static.It is a good work out but well worth it if your info is very important.
     
  8. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,065
    Ratings:
    +3,490
    thanks....

    When I was at Office Max.....there was the appearance of such an attempt.....it failed.
    they did say the battery was good.
     
  9. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    31,894
    Ratings:
    +5,263
    How old is the HP?

    What Operating system are you using?

    What do you use this PC for; web browsing, gaming, photo/video editing, etc.?

    How much memory (RAM) is in it and what processor are you running?

    Was it always slow and cumbersome or did this occur over time?
     
  10. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,065
    Ratings:
    +3,490
    Good questions...and I am soooooo not computer savvy.

    I use my stuff for email, browsing, minor transactions.....
    I spend way too much time on this site!

    The crashes used to be slowing developing.
    That last Toshiba was quick!....no hint of a pending fault.
     
  11. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    31,894
    Ratings:
    +5,263
    Are you using security software?

    Do you do updates?
     
  12. Nakosis

    Nakosis crystal soldier
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2011
    Messages:
    13,321
    Ratings:
    +5,171
    Religion:
    Atheist Libertarian
    most older laptops have an LCD screen which has a bulb for a backlight. So yeah, they go out like a light bulb. Try to get something which uses a LED backlight, They'll usually last longer.

    Also as another poster mentioned, I'd look at Apple systems. Less chance of viruses and they seem pretty reliable from my limited experience with them.
     
  13. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2014
    Messages:
    6,537
    Ratings:
    +4,869
    All laptops now come with what they call a "partition." This is essentially a restore to factory settings thing. But instead of coming with external information like in the past (a CD) it's inbuilt. In other words, on every hard drive now there is a small portion of it that's kind of locked. This portion contains all the relevant information needed to do a complete restore.
    I have had to resurrect a dead laptop or two. But like everything, it sort of depends on many other factors.

    There are at least 4 recommendations for keeping your computer healthy. One is backup, backup, backup. Always save your files to multiple places. Hell now you can even save specific settings on your OS as a default. I keep mine on an external hard drive for safe keeping. Second is security and anti virus software. Always have them installed (many are free) and always keep them up to date. Third is update your OS (Operating Software.) Fourth is "clean" your computer regularly. This means installing some sort of optimization software (again, usually the free version is enough) that, well, optimizes your computer. I use CC Cleaner. This not only deletes all the files semi permanently, (ie better than just deleting them from the waste bin) it also gets rid of the space that your internet history takes up and gets rid of the aberrations that are caused by the deletion of such files to begin with. These aberrations slow down your computer. Fourth one is not like required, but it's still good to keep your OS running smoothly.
     
  14. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,065
    Ratings:
    +3,490
    ok....should I burn a reboot disc now?
    or wait for Windows 10 to be down loaded?
    I have reserved a copy pending launch.....for me it will be free.

    only allowed to do this once.
     
  15. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,065
    Ratings:
    +3,490
    I get security pushed at me continually.
    makes me paranoid....
    especially after that news alert of someone using Windows logo as a front for their spyware.

    Most of the updates are forced....can't say no.
    The machine will shut down right in the middle of whatever.
     
    #15 Thief, Jul 9, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2015
  16. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,065
    Ratings:
    +3,490
    digressing just a bit.....
    Are there viruses that physically harm the circuits?
    or is it simply a matter of confusing the basic OS?
     
  17. dantech

    dantech Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2012
    Messages:
    3,216
    Ratings:
    +568
    Religion:
    Judaism
    I'll try and make this as simple as possible.
    Your hardware works with IOs. Every individual component of your hardware works as IOs (either in the 0 or 1 position). This is what binary programming is based on.

    Your software tells your hardware when to turn to I or to O. A sophisticated hack can make your hardware go IOIOIOIOIO..... continuously until eventually it burns out your hardware, but this is rare because generally, the goal of hackers is not to burn out your hardware but to get your money.

    Your other laptops are most probably recoverable if they are only two years old. The problem is that if you need parts, some of them may cost close to the price of a new laptop+installation which isn't cheap on a laptop.

    If you were to buy a laptop now, I would suggest going with the brand ASUS who has spectacular build quality, and make sure you get one with an SSD drive.
    Other than the fans in a computer, the part that moves the most is the Hard Disk Drive, which is what stores all your data. An SSD (Solid State Drive) has no moving parts, which means your data is safe for longer, and your drive will withstand more aggressiveness.
     
  18. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,065
    Ratings:
    +3,490
    Thank you one and all.
    This has been really good for me....thank you.

    I'll be back with other questions soon.
    I really am behind the swell as the new things keep coming.

    heck.....I remember service techs with vacuum tubes!!!!!!.....at the door of the house!!!!
     
  19. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    31,894
    Ratings:
    +5,263
    There are viruses, Trojans and malware that do various things and there have been viruses in the past that would kill your computer by flashing the BIOS (Basic Input Output System)

    You likely need to start from scratch with your PC, Laptop or get a new one. Look to getting as much memory as possible and getting an Intel Processor that is fairly popwerful, no need for going overboard.

    If you do online gaming you need a pretty powerful video card too.

    As for the OS, if you are still running Windows XP or something older, all bets are off, you need to upgrade.

    Windows 7, or 8.1 are what you should be using now, most likely if you go the upgrade route or buy a new PC you are going to end up with 8.1. If you were not on 8 that will be a bit of a jump and you will need to learn how to access your stuff since it is different.

    As for security software; McAfee, Symantec, TrendMicro, F-Secure all good. I am not a big fan of free downloadable security systems but there are those that swear by them.

    Another thing you could do now with your HP, assuming it is Windows 7 or newer. Download and run HitMan Pro, it is a very good Malware scanner, but you need internet access because it is cloud based. Also F-Secure, Panda, TrendMIcor, Spybot and Ad Aware all have online or downloadable scanners to check for Malware. Make sure the sight you are dealing with for Ad-Aware is Lavasoft and nothing else for the initial download should you go that route. If Spybot make sure you are getting it from safer-networking.org.

    These could find malware and remove it and that might speed up your PC. Also F-Secure did have a free trial of a piece of software that checked and speed up your PC a bit, but for the full functioning model you need to buy it. TrendMicro also had something similar , but I think that you have to buy that one to use it
     
  20. Shad

    Shad Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2014
    Messages:
    15,359
    Ratings:
    +3,449
    Religion:
    Theological noncognitivist
    The mobility you gain is at the cost of product quality and life-span. The products are also tiny so there is a restriction in cooling capabilities which are inadequate for even modest gaming or demanding uses. Just to compare any example my now defective notebook's idle temperatures are higher than fully stress testing my desktop CPU for 12 hours straight. Moderate gaming produces temperatures that are higher than full 12 hour long GPU benchmarks. Chances are your systems have died just as a result of normal uses and the limited life-span of mobiles rather than viruses. Most viruses have the purpose of collecting information in order to commit fraud under your name rather than damaging the system itself.

    To address a few question you posts.

    The back light could have died thus there is no ability to project anything on to your screen. If this happens before windows even loads then it was not a virus. If this does not happen in safe-mode then it is not a virus. It is a simple mechanical failure otherwise.

    Power can still be run through a system without a monitor working. If the system even turns on then chances are the monitor died rather than a system failure. If the system does not power up then it is a hardware failure which is most likely the power supply, connect from the supply to the system via battery or a/c ports or a motherboard failure.

    It is the standard connect for a hard drive and solid state drive to a motherboard. It allows it to communicate with the system as a whole.

    Data loss is a hard drive failure. Screen issues are either the monitor or gpu failure.

    There is a reason for that. Windows as an OS is easy to infect with a virus. Get Linux and you will never need protection programs as Linux is not worth hacking nor infecting.

    Most viruses attack your software thus regardless of Mac, Linus or Windows the software is the major source of infection. Windows is just easier to infect itself via software than OS X and Linux. Even Firefox or Chrome can be infected both of which can be used on Linux and OS X

    Windows update are mandatory regardless of how you feel or not. As pointed out above Windows is an OS which is always vulnerable thus it needs updates as people poke more holes in the poor coding of the OS.

    Yes some can. One virus for example is used for bitcoin farming, an internet currency. In order to generate these bitcoins your gpu needs to run at full load thus a virus for this purpose will load your gpu with algorithms to generate coins which will be transferred to another user. This puts stress on your system well beyond even gaming use. A full load is placing your system at it's maximum capabilities which not all systems are designed to handle. For example a stock cooling system for an intel CPU will be hard pressed to hand a 100% load for a long period of time while an aftermarket cooling system is designed for this purpose. Most ready to buy systems are designed for moderate uses not server use which see this 100% loads for long duration. However this are easy to find using task manager for the CPU or a GPU program like afterburner.

    As I said before a notebook/laptop is not a desktop. Regardless of what the manufactures claims these systems will never be equal to a desktop of similar specification. Even the specification are clever commercial tricks. A notebook with say a 850m or 920m are not products with the equivalent desktop 800/900s. A 800m is around a 600 series for desktops thus 4-5 year old tech. A 900 is a high end 600 or low end 700, 2-5 year old tech. It is all marketing since big numbers are fancy and people like big numbers. All notebooks have heat issues. All notebooks throttles, reduce, it's own capabilities without the user being aware so that the product does not kill itself running mundane task a desktop can. You can also notice for yourself most notebooks only have a 1-2 year warranty while desktop parts have mostly 3 year warranties, at times even life-time warranties. Mobiles are designed for mobility nothing more thus you get what you pay for. A limited short life-span product you are carry with you. Everything else such as "gaming notebook" are commercials designed to fool the customer into buying a limited product at a high price. The notebook industry has been robbing it's customers blind for years. Repairs are expensive as well which is part of robbing customers for the sake of mobility

    Stick with cheap notebooks so you are not burned when a system fails a year later.
     
    #20 Shad, Jul 10, 2015
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2015
Loading...