1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Michael

Discussion in 'Jehovah's Witnesses DIR' started by may, Feb 16, 2006.

  1. Moses the God Archetype*

    Moses the God Archetype* Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Messages:
    311
    Ratings:
    +30
    :tsk: Why should we have this debate........the message of the coming of God's son is love thru sacifrice, if we understand this we abtain the father(bhagvan-vasudeva-sri-krsna) as well as the son(jesus) so it does not matter what jesus's designation was before his lila on earth.
     
  2. Aqualung

    Aqualung Tasty

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Messages:
    8,762
    Ratings:
    +604
    Well, why not? Might as well use this forum since it's here.
     
  3. Moses the God Archetype*

    Moses the God Archetype* Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Messages:
    311
    Ratings:
    +30
    From a logical point of view yes, but from a spirtual point of view no, in terms of growth.:tsk:
     
  4. dawny0826

    dawny0826 Mother Heathen

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2005
    Messages:
    14,071
    Ratings:
    +2,169
    Religion:
    Non-Denominational Christian
    Not that my intent is to participate in debate...I thought I'd state that for some...spritual growth can actual result from debating. I've grown quite a bit spiritually through debates.
     
  5. Aqualung

    Aqualung Tasty

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2005
    Messages:
    8,762
    Ratings:
    +604
    You can grow a lot debating. You have to think out your position very well to be able to hold your ground at all. Plus, does everything I do actually have to make me grow? No, it just better not make me shrink.
     
  6. Moses the God Archetype*

    Moses the God Archetype* Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Messages:
    311
    Ratings:
    +30
    Listen......oh children the corse of debate is nessesary for the process of intellectual growth, but not on trival matters such as what was jesus's designation before his lila on earth, what he did here, on behalf of the father(bhagavan-sri-krsna) is what truely matters, in order to move forward on a spirtual basis yes.
     
  7. FFH

    FFH Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    12,063
    Ratings:
    +374
    Michael is Adam. He is the archangel, or chief angel.

    Doctrine and Covenants 107: 54

    "And the Lord appeared unto them, and they rose up and blessed Adam, and called him Michael, the prince, the archangel."
     
  8. FFH

    FFH Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    12,063
    Ratings:
    +374
    Elohim is God the Father.
    Jehovah is God the Son, or Jesus Christ.
    Michael is the archangel, or Adam.

    Michael means one who is lIke God, not one who is God.

    Jehovah means self-subsisting.
     
  9. FFH

    FFH Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    12,063
    Ratings:
    +374
    Adam means earthy or red.

    Jesus means savior, or deliverer.
    Christ means annointed.

    Jesus Christ was anointed to be our Savior
     
  10. may

    may Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2004
    Messages:
    3,665
    Ratings:
    +110
    And i thought this was a JW thread?
     
  11. Moses the God Archetype*

    Moses the God Archetype* Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    Messages:
    311
    Ratings:
    +30
    Oh may just because this may appear to be a jw thread as you say, it does not mean that people from other faiths cannot offer there opinion on thee issue at hand.:149:
     
  12. may

    may Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2004
    Messages:
    3,665
    Ratings:
    +110
    oh ,ok then , i thought it said no debating maybe i am wrong.
     
  13. may

    may Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2004
    Messages:
    3,665
    Ratings:
    +110
    yes you are right ,being like God does not make him God thats because he isnt ,he is Gods first-born son .
    In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. john 1;1-2

    Jesus—A​
    Godlike One; Divine

    Joh 1:1—"and the Word was a god (godlike; divine)"
    Gr., κα
    ι θεοςηνο λόγος (kai the·os´ en ho lo´gos)
     
  14. deelo505

    deelo505 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2008
    Messages:
    46
    Ratings:
    +2
    The word in Greek for "first-created" is "protoktistos". This term is NOT used in connection with Jesus. The term "firstborn" means in Greek, "Preeminence in rank". Christ was preeminent before all creation and is therefore the Creator. Read John 1:3-4 and Colossians 1:16-17. "...the beginning of the creation of God says this" (Revelation 3:14)
     
Loading...