• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Messianic Views toward Aliyah


Active Member
I want to know the views of Messianics toward aliyah to Israel (in particular, settling in Israel). You may use the following as a guide:

Is It A Mitzvah To Make Aliyah?

Many prominent Jewish rabbis, including RAMBAN and RAMBAM, two of the most famous rabbis in Judaism, consider emigration to Israel to be a [FONT=TREBUCHET, ARIAL, HELVETICA]makhshir mitzvah, an act enabling the believer to perform many of the other 613 mitzvot. [/FONT][FONT=TREBUCHET, ARIAL, HELVETICA]Rabbi Elazar ben Shamua and Rabbi Yohanan ha-Sandlar went so far to say that making aliyah was equal to performing all the other commandments.

What is the response from Messianics? PLEASE RESPOND!

Messianics are in a peculiar position: On the one hand, we consider ourselves to be a continuation of Jewish as well as early church tradition. On the other hand, Jewish Messianics encounter many obstacles when trying to emigrate, and non-Jewish Messianics stant to encounter many more.

A minority of Jews are zealously opposed to doing aliyah, and a majority seem to be ambivalent. Others see it as an act of righteousness. This has political impact, of course, as it is the basis of Religious Zionism.


Active Member
I attribute the lack of comments here, to the fact that there are so few of us Messianics. Therefore, I will simply offer my opinion:

I agree with RAMBAN and others, that helping to establish the Jewish state in Israel is more important than all the other peculiarly Jewish commandments. Consider this:

1. The children of Israel were not even EXPECTED to be able to keep the bulk of the commandments, until they were settled in Israel:

Ex 13
[5] And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month.

[11] And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, as he sware unto thee and to thy fathers, and shall give it thee,
[12] That thou shalt set apart unto the LORD all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the LORD's.
[13] And every firstling of an *** thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

Lev 14
[34] When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;
[35] And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house:
[36] Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
[37] And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;

I counted 17 other such passages
2. God has returned those Jews to the land, who heeded the call to aliyah, regardless of their observance of other commandments:

Deut 30
[1] And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
[2] And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice
according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
[3] That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
In fact, it was the irreligious, secular Jews who were first thus rewarded by God. That is an indication of how important the command to settle the land is in God's eyes.

3. Jews are commanded to love their neighbors, especially their fellow Jews. Jews are in danger today, all over the world, because of endemic antiSemitism. The only place they are secure, is in Israel. Jews are preserving the lives of their brethren, by strengthening Israel; in so doing, they are fulfilling another of the greatest commandments.

There is obvious controversy among halachic Jews concerning these things. Since Messianics consider themselves Jews, either halachically or by adoption through Jesus, these issues ought to affect them as well. In practice, many, possibly most, of the brethren I fellowship with have spent some time in Israel -- years, in many cases.

I planned several years ago, to visit the land with a friend, to touch base with two distant cousins. My friend and my closest cousin died just before the scheduled trip, and the other cousin could not accomodate me. An employment possibility there also evaporated at that time, so I scrubbed the idea. Since then, much of my family has located in a different country; and since I am now a grandfather, I have given up on the idea.
Last edited:


Active Member
I want to know the views of Messianics toward aliyah to Israel (in particular, settling in Israel).

Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Yahweh will take us back when the time is right.

Do not be like the...>>

"....Nevertheless, other classical rabbinical texts mock the tribe for the character it has in the deuteronomic history, claiming that Ephraim, being headstrong, left Egypt 30 years prior to the Exodus, and on arrival in Canaan was subjected to a disastrous battle with the Philistines...."
Tribe of Ephraim

Exo 13:17 It happened, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God didn’t lead them by the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, “Lest perhaps the people change their minds when they see war, and they return to Egypt.

"lest they see the bones of their brothers", perhaps?

Last edited: