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Messianic Views toward Aliyah

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism DIR' started by BlandOatmeal, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. BlandOatmeal

    BlandOatmeal Active Member

    Aug 17, 2012
    I want to know the views of Messianics toward aliyah to Israel (in particular, settling in Israel). You may use the following as a guide:

    Is It A Mitzvah To Make Aliyah?

    Many prominent Jewish rabbis, including RAMBAN and RAMBAM, two of the most famous rabbis in Judaism, consider emigration to Israel to be a [FONT=TREBUCHET, ARIAL, HELVETICA]makhshir mitzvah, an act enabling the believer to perform many of the other 613 mitzvot. [/FONT][FONT=TREBUCHET, ARIAL, HELVETICA]Rabbi Elazar ben Shamua and Rabbi Yohanan ha-Sandlar went so far to say that making aliyah was equal to performing all the other commandments.

    What is the response from Messianics? PLEASE RESPOND!

    Messianics are in a peculiar position: On the one hand, we consider ourselves to be a continuation of Jewish as well as early church tradition. On the other hand, Jewish Messianics encounter many obstacles when trying to emigrate, and non-Jewish Messianics stant to encounter many more.

    A minority of Jews are zealously opposed to doing aliyah, and a majority seem to be ambivalent. Others see it as an act of righteousness. This has political impact, of course, as it is the basis of Religious Zionism.
  2. BlandOatmeal

    BlandOatmeal Active Member

    Aug 17, 2012
    I attribute the lack of comments here, to the fact that there are so few of us Messianics. Therefore, I will simply offer my opinion:

    I agree with RAMBAN and others, that helping to establish the Jewish state in Israel is more important than all the other peculiarly Jewish commandments. Consider this:

    1. The children of Israel were not even EXPECTED to be able to keep the bulk of the commandments, until they were settled in Israel:

    2. God has returned those Jews to the land, who heeded the call to aliyah, regardless of their observance of other commandments:

    In fact, it was the irreligious, secular Jews who were first thus rewarded by God. That is an indication of how important the command to settle the land is in God's eyes.

    3. Jews are commanded to love their neighbors, especially their fellow Jews. Jews are in danger today, all over the world, because of endemic antiSemitism. The only place they are secure, is in Israel. Jews are preserving the lives of their brethren, by strengthening Israel; in so doing, they are fulfilling another of the greatest commandments.

    There is obvious controversy among halachic Jews concerning these things. Since Messianics consider themselves Jews, either halachically or by adoption through Jesus, these issues ought to affect them as well. In practice, many, possibly most, of the brethren I fellowship with have spent some time in Israel -- years, in many cases.

    I planned several years ago, to visit the land with a friend, to touch base with two distant cousins. My friend and my closest cousin died just before the scheduled trip, and the other cousin could not accomodate me. An employment possibility there also evaporated at that time, so I scrubbed the idea. Since then, much of my family has located in a different country; and since I am now a grandfather, I have given up on the idea.
    #2 BlandOatmeal, Oct 1, 2013
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  3. roberto

    roberto Active Member

    May 15, 2012

    Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land.

    Yahweh will take us back when the time is right.

    Do not be like the...>>

    "....Nevertheless, other classical rabbinical texts mock the tribe for the character it has in the deuteronomic history, claiming that Ephraim, being headstrong, left Egypt 30 years prior to the Exodus, and on arrival in Canaan was subjected to a disastrous battle with the Philistines...."
    Tribe of Ephraim

    Exo 13:17 It happened, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God didn’t lead them by the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, “Lest perhaps the people change their minds when they see war, and they return to Egypt.

    "lest they see the bones of their brothers", perhaps?

    #3 roberto, Mar 13, 2021
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