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Mark 10:30 and Reincarnation

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
how can a being having multiple mothers unless palingenesis is valid?


mark 10:30
 

101G

Well-Known Member
how can a being having multiple mothers unless palingenesis is valid?


mark 10:30
Mark 10:30 "But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life."

answer on mother brethren, and sisters ...Matthew 12:46 "While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him." Matthew 12:47 "Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee." Matthew 12:48 "But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?" Matthew 12:49 "And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!" Matthew 12:50 "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

so it's not biological.

101G.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Mark 10:30 "But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life."

answer on mother brethren, and sisters ...Matthew 12:46 "While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him." Matthew 12:47 "Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee." Matthew 12:48 "But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?" Matthew 12:49 "And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!" Matthew 12:50 "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."

so it's not biological.

101G.
there is a difference between the two. there is a mention of persecution. patience is experienced through the suffering of the son of man, humanity.


when the spirit is imprisoned in the tomb of clay, then the spirit attempt to overcome the natural so that the spiritual can be realized.


kind of like the individuation process that jung spoke about. where the unconscious must manifest in/to the conscious.
 

Eddi

Panentheist and Psychedelic Cat
Premium Member
how can a being having multiple mothers unless palingenesis is valid?


mark 10:30
That would be against Hebrews 9:27 and also Ecclesiastes 12:7

So I think it's hyperbole
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
how can a being having multiple mothers unless palingenesis is valid?


mark 10:30

So you are going to base the truth on 2000 year old manuscript written by unknown authors.
Got anything else?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
That would be against Hebrews 9:27 and also Ecclesiastes 12:7

So I think it's hyperbole


actually the word regeneration is the ancient word used for reincarnation.

titus 3:5

matthew 19:28


also john 9 talks about the idea of reincarnation.

as does john 8:56-59
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
So you are going to base the truth on 2000 year old manuscript written by unknown authors.
Got anything else?
the universe recycles. that isn't a leap of faith.

whether reincarnation is valid from a scientific perspective isn't what this thread is about.. its about the idea being conveyed in the book of those who view it as holy and valid
 

Eddi

Panentheist and Psychedelic Cat
Premium Member
actually the word regeneration is the ancient word used for reincarnation.
Interesting

Assuming that is correct, that would mean that the bible says reincarnation both happens and also doesn't happen

But I don't see this as a contradiction:

Maybe sometimes people are reincarnated

But that most of the time people go straight to the afterlife

I believe the ancient Jews believed in reincarnation
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Interesting

Assuming that is correct, that would mean that the bible says reincarnation both happens and also doesn't happen

But I don't see this as a contradiction:

Maybe sometimes people are reincarnated

But that most of the time people go straight to the afterlife

I believe the ancient Jews believed in reincarnation
the word reincarnation doesn't exist in the bible because there was no such word at the time of translation of the earlier canons. the idea of reincarnation is implied in the bible.

same with the word homosexual. there was no use of the word in the bible prior to the 1940s


john the baptist came in the very spirit of elijah. that is what reincarnation is. different incarnations of the same spirit
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
the universe recycles. that isn't a leap of faith.

whether reincarnation is valid from a scientific perspective isn't what this thread is about.. its about the idea being conveyed in the book of those who view it as holy and valid

Ignoring those who don't.
Ok, I was just hoping you had something to offer the rest.
Outside of the Holy POV.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Ignoring those who don't.
Ok, I was just hoping you had something to offer the rest.
Outside of the Holy POV.
so from the scientific point of view it can't be controlled and repeated; obviously there are some science that is only observable and reportable.

there have been those scientific studies done but most of your hard science types reject them.

there are organizations out their taking reports and doing follow ups. but like the ufos most just poo, poo it. now there is overwhelming evidence of ufo activity that the federal government can't explain away. to many cameras.


so the hard scientist buries their head in the sand, doesn't make it disappear.

so instead of just say poo poo, why not do research on what the phenomena is that drives the phenomena of people making such claims. easier to just poo, poo and it costs money
 
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