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Jewish Clothing: The Naked Truth.

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
As in all things Jewish, clothing symbolizes the naked truth about mankind's past, present, and future. And the tallit is the quintessential emblem of Jewish clothing. So much so that the rabbis imply the tallit is representative of the first "covering" given to "cover" the genitals of Adam and Eve after the first sin. The tallit represents the genesis and source of mankind's clothing ("tallit" derives from an Aramaic word for "covering"):

Of all living creatures, man is unique in the fact that he covers his body with clothing. . . The most obvious reason for wearing clothing might appear to be to provide protection from the elements. However, when anthropologists studied primitive tribes in even the warmest climates, they found that people still wore clothing as a matter of course.

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Tzitzith: A Thread of Light.
Man is the only mammal who wears clothing. Rabbi Kaplan goes on to point out that the most seminal clothing (so to say), the clothing that nearly all men wear, if they wear anything at all, typically covers the genitalia. He continues by pointing out that until the first sin, Adam and Eve felt no need for clothing. Their nakedness wasn't something they were ashamed of. It wasn't until the first sin that covering the genitalia with clothing became a means of modesty associated with the expulsion from Eden:

Our sages comment that they were not ashamed because they had no sexual desire. . . there was no shame in exposing the sexual organs.

Ibid.

John
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
As in all things Jewish, clothing symbolizes the naked truth about mankind's past, present, and future. And the tallit is the quintessential emblem of Jewish clothing. So much so that the rabbis imply the tallit is representative of the first "covering" given to "cover" the genitals of Adam and Eve after the first sin. The tallit represents the genesis and source of mankind's clothing ("tallit" derives from an Aramaic word for "covering"):

Of all living creatures, man is unique in the fact that he covers his body with clothing. . . The most obvious reason for wearing clothing might appear to be to provide protection from the elements. However, when anthropologists studied primitive tribes in even the warmest climates, they found that people still wore clothing as a matter of course.

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Tzitzith: A Thread of Light.
Man is the only mammal who wears clothing. Rabbi Kaplan goes on to point out that the most seminal clothing (so to say), the clothing that nearly all men wear, if they wear anything at all, typically covers the genitalia. He continues by pointing out that until the first sin, Adam and Eve felt no need for clothing. Their nakedness wasn't something they were ashamed of. It wasn't until the first sin that covering the genitalia with clothing became a means of modesty associated with the expulsion from Eden:

Our sages comment that they were not ashamed because they had no sexual desire. . . there was no shame in exposing the sexual organs.

Ibid.

John
The bugs, weather, and poison ivy were total murder.

Clothes were born. :0D
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
The bugs, weather, and poison ivy were total murder.

Clothes were born. :0D

. . . There might be some question as to why, if mankind evolved like the other animals, nature herself left mankind naked without fur or some other covering? Look at some of those naked women in your girly magazines. Do they really look prepared for the elements by mother nature?


John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
As in all things Jewish, clothing symbolizes the naked truth about mankind's past, present, and future. And the tallit is the quintessential emblem of Jewish clothing. So much so that the rabbis imply the tallit is representative of the first "covering" given to "cover" the genitals of Adam and Eve after the first sin. The tallit represents the genesis and source of mankind's clothing ("tallit" derives from an Aramaic word for "covering"):

Of all living creatures, man is unique in the fact that he covers his body with clothing. . . The most obvious reason for wearing clothing might appear to be to provide protection from the elements. However, when anthropologists studied primitive tribes in even the warmest climates, they found that people still wore clothing as a matter of course.

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Tzitzith: A Thread of Light.
Man is the only mammal who wears clothing. Rabbi Kaplan goes on to point out that the most seminal clothing (so to say), the clothing that nearly all men wear, if they wear anything at all, typically covers the genitalia. He continues by pointing out that until the first sin, Adam and Eve felt no need for clothing. Their nakedness wasn't something they were ashamed of. It wasn't until the first sin that covering the genitalia with clothing became a means of modesty associated with the expulsion from Eden:

Our sages comment that they were not ashamed because they had no sexual desire. . . there was no shame in exposing the sexual organs.

Ibid.

John

In Horeb, Rabbi Samson Hirsch connects the tallit, and specifically the tzitzit entwined on the four corners of the tallit, with, "distinguishing man from beast ---reminding man of his superiority over brutishness . . . [since] the essential purpose of a garment is the covering up of the animal element in man's body leaving only those limbs bare which are primarily organs of human activity" (p.181-182).

The tallit, which represents man's first covering, post-sin, is designed specifically to cover up the brutish, animal element, which Adam didn't possess prior to Genesis 2:21. In Genesis 2:21, the animal element was grafted onto Adam's body simultaneous to the manufacture of Eve, who, Eve, was given to Adam as the place where he might burnish his brutish new appendage.

Human clothing covers up the original sin made possible by the unlawful grafting of unlike flesh onto Adam's formerly perfect body. Human clothing, symbolized by the tallit, represents, by means of what it covers up, a time before the human body had genitalia such that that little nuance (genderless flesh) becomes the fundamental context for understanding the ritual that establishes every Jewish male as a type of prelapse Adam, i.e., brit milah (ritual circumcision).

Through Milah it would be possible to return to the level of Adam and Eve before the sin. In other words, mankind would again have direct access to the spiritual dimension. . . circumcision restored Abraham and his descendants to the status of Adam before his sin. . . If not for Adam's sin, all mankind would have had the status of Israel.

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Inner Space, p. 166; The Handbook of Jewish Thought, p.47; Ibid. p. 39.​


John
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Man is the only mammal who wears clothing. Rabbi Kaplan goes on to point out that the most seminal clothing (so to say), the clothing that nearly all men wear, if they wear anything at all, typically covers the genitalia. He continues by pointing out that until the first sin, Adam and Eve felt no need for clothing. Their nakedness wasn't something they were ashamed of. It wasn't until the first sin that covering the genitalia with clothing became a means of modesty associated with the expulsion from Eden:

Our sages comment that they were not ashamed because they had no sexual desire. . . there was no shame in exposing the sexual organs.​
Some have sexuality but still do not need clothes.
See here: Naked tribals - Google Search
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
I do not think so. There were people who covered the strategic areas and also those who did not. :)

. . . The point was that an important and rule establishing majority have always covered the gentitalia. The fact that there are aberrations to that rule merely provides opportunity for those who don't want to discuss things in fair-minded generalities to bring up the rare exception to the rule in order to be unruly.


John
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I try to see it as if were that fellow.......first to walk with God

and after partaking of something God said.....no don't
I might want to cringe a bit
and cover up the more sensitive and vulnerable flesh

after all.....I don't know which is really more painful
a stiff slap up side of the head
or a slap to the balls

and it was God Himself that gave them animal skins
so the story goes
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
.. in order to be unruly.
Hindus generally have no desire to be unruly. But we accept differences. Cover the genitalia according to the tradition of one's tribe, OK; don't cover it if that is the tradition, that too is OK. Who are we to judge?
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
I try to see it as if were that fellow.......first to walk with God

and after partaking of something God said.....no don't
I might want to cringe a bit
and cover up the more sensitive and vulnerable flesh

after all.....I don't know which is really more painful
a stiff slap up side of the head
or a slap to the balls

and it was God Himself that gave them animal skins
so the story goes

Not sure if we would interpret the text to be implying that God causes the shame? Adam and Eve are ashamed (for whatever reason) and God gives them a way to cover up that part of the body they're most ashamed of.

We're all their offspring. And we're all ashamed of our genitalia.

Yes, the genitals are sensitive. But animals have either been equipped by nature for that reality, or endure it just fine. Why weren't we equipped for the sensitivity there by nature, or why do we not endure it just fine?


John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Hindus generally have no desire to be unruly. But we accept differences. Cover the genitalia according to the tradition of one's tribe, OK; don't cover it if that is the tradition, that too is OK. Who are we to judge?

The thread was speaking of the generality that humans of almost every religion, ethnicity, or tribe, have, since the beginning of time, covered their genitalia.

You pointed out some extremely rare and questionable exceptions to the rule and have since then ignored the rule and what would otherwise be said about it.


John
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Not sure if we would interpret the text to be implying that God causes the shame? Adam and Eve are ashamed (for whatever reason) and God gives them a way to cover up that part of the body they're most ashamed of.

We're all their offspring. And we're all ashamed of our genitalia.

Yes, the genitals are sensitive. But animals have either been equipped by nature for that reality, or endure it just fine. Why weren't we equipped for the sensitivity there by nature, or why do we not endure it just fine?


John
Nature is an old name for an old god
let's drop that

Adam and Eve were naked.....
they could not hide their thoughts or feelings in the presence of God

the outward symptom would be hiding
and when told to come out.....they brought some of the foliage with them

obviously....they had done what God had told them not to

but I believe the apparent disobedience was needful
Man needs to be a creature curious about knowledge.....even if death is pending

without that desire to know
there would not ever be intention toward the next life

Eat and in that day, you shall die.....was true

eat and you shall not die....also true
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Nature is an old name for an old god
let's drop that

Adam and Eve were naked.....
they could not hide their thoughts or feelings in the presence of God

the outward symptom would be hiding
and when told to come out.....they brought some of the foliage with them

obviously....they had done what God had told them not to

but I believe the apparent disobedience was needful
Man needs to be a creature curious about knowledge.....even if death is pending

without that desire to know
there would not ever be intention toward the next life

Eat and in that day, you shall die.....was true

eat and you shall not die....also true

. . . I don't have a problem with any of this.


John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
In Horeb, Rabbi Samson Hirsch connects the tallit, and specifically the tzitzit entwined on the four corners of the tallit, with, "distinguishing man from beast ---reminding man of his superiority over brutishness . . . [since] the essential purpose of a garment is the covering up of the animal element in man's body leaving only those limbs bare which are primarily organs of human activity" (p.181-182).

The tallit, which represents man's first covering, post-sin, is designed specifically to cover up the brutish, animal element, which Adam didn't possess prior to Genesis 2:21. In Genesis 2:21, the animal element was grafted onto Adam's body simultaneous to the manufacture of Eve, who, Eve, was given to Adam as the place where he might burnish his brutish new appendage.

Human clothing covers up the original sin made possible by the unlawful grafting of unlike flesh onto Adam's formerly perfect body. Human clothing, symbolized by the tallit, represents, by means of what it covers up, a time before the human body had genitalia such that that little nuance (genderless flesh) becomes the fundamental context for understanding the ritual that establishes every Jewish male as a type of prelapse Adam, i.e., brit milah (ritual circumcision).

Through Milah it would be possible to return to the level of Adam and Eve before the sin. In other words, mankind would again have direct access to the spiritual dimension. . . circumcision restored Abraham and his descendants to the status of Adam before his sin. . . If not for Adam's sin, all mankind would have had the status of Israel.

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, Inner Space, p. 166; The Handbook of Jewish Thought, p.47; Ibid. p. 39.​


John

It's a whole other study from the point of this thread to digress into an argument justifying the fact that Rabbi Hirsch is indeed distinguishing Jews from Gentiles as though they're different species the mixing of which transgresses the law of "Each to its own species למינהו," mirrored in the law of shatnez. For anyone concerned with that question a careful reading of Collected Writings III, pages 174-180 makes few things so patently clear.

The fundamental examination in this thread is the relationship between the law of shatnez, as it concerns "clothing," and the spiritual nature of "clothing" as a covering given after the sin of Adam that transformed him from a Jew to a min (Sanhedrin 38b). It's because of Adam's status as a "min" (a Jewish heretic) that Adam must cover up the flesh that makes him a heretical Jew.

The first clothing given to man is to cover-up the sin that transformed the first Jew into a Jewish heretic.

Again, it's a whole other point to point out that Sanhedrin 38b makes nothing so clear as the fact that Adam becomes a heretical Jew (a min) when he performs epispasm to cover up the Jewish body/flesh with skin stretched and sewn (Genesis 2:21) like a covering covering up the great secret of the Jewish body as that body existed prior to Genesis 2:21 (which makes the original sin possible).

In the same way Adam covers up the secret of the Jewish body with strange flesh, the tallit covers up the secret of the Jewish body after Abraham's ritual circumcision restores it, at least partially, to it's pre-lapse form.

The clothing given to Adam covers Adam's epispasmic surgery as related to us in the Talmud at Sanhedrin 38b.

By covering up the cover-up, i.e. hiding the results of Adam's epispasmic surgery (and Rabbi Hirsch equates Genesis 2:21 with a full-on surgical procedure), the first item of clothing given to Adam makes it look as though Adam's body might in fact be precisely what it was before the sin (we have no cause to suspect otherwise).

The loincloth given to Adam hides the fact that Adam now has genitals and is thus a Jew who looks like a Gentile (i.e., he's a min).

Fast forward to Abraham. ------Abraham's covenant, according to Rabbi Hirsch, is to reinstate the original covenant between God and Adam that was rescinded when Adam mixed flesh by allowing genitals to be grafted onto a non-Gentile body. Almost too perfectly the sign of the Abrahamic covenant is the ritual removal of the genital flesh that made Adam, the original Jew, look like one of the Gentiles created in Genesis chapter one.

So much is this the case that Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan repeated many times that circumcision, the ritual establishing the Abrahamic covenant, in some way returns the Jew to the status of Adam before the sin.

. . . And just here we come to the climactic question of the entire thread. Why, if Abraham undoes the epispasmic surgery that transformed Adam into a min (a Jew who looks and acts like a Gentile), do we come to find that after Abraham's circumcision, the tallit covers up what we should suspect is the most glorious uncovering the world has ever known, i,e, the nature of the original Jewish body ----- whose nakedness produces no shame whatsoever?

Adam was naked Jewish flesh prior to his epispasmic-surgery. After that surgery he was a Jewish heretic who looked like a Gentile. So God covers up the flesh that mixed Jew and genital, Jew and Gentile.

Then Abraham ritually removes the flesh Adam mixed with Jewish flesh such that we should expect Abraham to become the first human since Adam who could strut around naked without being ashamed: the first actual Jew since Adam.

But that doesn't happen? ------ The tallit replaces the loin-cloth thereby covering up the uncovering of the cover-up? The tallit literally hides the removal of what clothing (the loin cloth) was designed to hide? The tallit hides what should be the greatest of revelations?

Why in God's Name, Shaddai, does God and Abraham conspire, the tallit, to cover up the revelation of what the loin cloth (the first clothing) covered up in the first place, i.e., the mixing of unlike flesh?

Why, once Abraham removes the sign of mixing unlike flesh, Jew and genital, Jew and Gentile, does Abraham subsequently cover up the revelation of the former cover-up? Why does the tallit replace the loin cloth when ritual circumcision is the revelation that the original covenant between Adam and God has been re-established by the removal of the flesh that rescinded the covenant in the first place?


John
 
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