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Jesus as Vespasion

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angellous_evangellous

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That is the way the writings of Josephus, Tacitus, and Suetonius came BEFORE the writing of the biblical gospel stories.[/b]

Tell me, Tellurian, is it always a sunny day in your fantasy land?

BTW, you didn't tell me who it is that is lying to you. Obviously you didn't come up with this on your own because it's spammed all other the internet.

I just want to know what "works" so I can make money off gullible people, too.

(Interesting how gullible people don't fall for the right thing, lol)

And if nothing else, I thank you for being entertaining. I hope that godnotgod is paying attention.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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I wonder who the first person will be who can chart a timeline with:

1) The dates of Suetonius, Tacitus, and the four Gospels

2) The dates of when each of these materials were circulated. That is, even if by some gigantic blunder all scholars are wrong about the Gospels being dated LONG before Suetonius or Tacitus or Josephus were written, their writings would have had to have been circulated and popularized before the Gospels were composed.

It's a simple matter of date rather than a thoughtless comparison of texts (which aren't even that similar).

The OP is a celebration of ignorance combined with careless thinking and poor judgment. Please, for the love of Pete, buy MY crap instead of whoever sold you theirs. I should be able to get rich off gullible people, too.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Mark 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.

John 9:6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay

Tacitus Histories [4.81] In the months during which Vespasian was waiting at Alexandria for the periodical return of the summer gales and settled weather at sea, many wonders occurred which seemed to point him out as the object of the favour of heaven and of the partiality of the Gods. One of the common people of Alexandria, well known for his blindness, threw himself at the Emperor's knees, and implored him with groans to heal his infirmity. This he did by the advice of the God Serapis, whom this nation, devoted as it is to many superstitions, worships more than any other divinity. He begged Vespasian that he would deign to moisten his cheeks and eye-balls with his spittle. Another with a diseased hand, at the counsel of the same God, prayed that the limb might feet the print of a Caesar's foot. At first Vespasian ridiculed and repulsed them. They persisted; and he, though on the one hand he feared the scandal of a fruitless attempt, yet, on the other, was induced by the entreaties of the men and by the language of his flatterers to hope for success. At last he ordered that the opinion of physicians should be taken, as to whether such blindness and infirmity were within the reach of human skill. They discussed the matter from different points of view. "In the one case," they said, "the faculty of sight was not wholly destroyed, and might return, if the obstacies were removed; in the other case, the limb, which had fallen into a diseased condition, might be restored, if a healing influence were applied; such, perhaps, might be the pleasure of the Gods, and the Emperor might be chosen to be the minister of the divine will; at any rate, all the glory of a successful remedy would be Caesar's, while the ridicule of failure would fall on the sufferers." And so Vespasian, supposing that all things were possible to his good fortune, and that nothing was any longer past belief, with a joyful countenance, amid the intense expectation of the multitude of bystanders, accomplished what was required. The hand was instantly restored to its use, and the light of day again shone upon the blind. Persons actually present attest both facts, even now when nothing is to be gained by falsehood.

Suetonius, Life of Vespasian, 2 Vespasian as yet lacked prestige and a certain divinity, so to speak, since he was an unexpected and still new-made emperor; but these also were given him. A man of the people who was blind, and another who was lame, came to him together as he sat on the tribunal, begging for the help for their disorders which Serapis had promised in a dream; for the god declared that Vespasian would restore the eyes, if he would spit upon them, and give strength to the leg, if he would deign to touch it with his heel. 3 Though he had hardly any faith that this could possibly succeed, and therefore shrank even from making the attempt, he was at last prevailed upon by his friends and tried both things in public before a large crowd; and with success. At this same time, by the direction of certain soothsayers, some vases of antique workmanship were dug up in a consecrated spot at Tegea in Arcadia and on them was an image very like Vespasian.


I suppose that it didn't even occur to you that you're trying to compare ONE verse from the Gospels with lines and lines of text from other sources.

You're screaming that the texts are dissimilar, and whispering that they are somehow related.

Here's a hint. In real studies, the simplest and shortest version is almost always the earliest.
 

e.r.m.

Church of Christ
I don't see christians patterning Jesus after someone who existed after Jesus's time on earth.
 
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