Is Obama putting himself in danger?

[Radio Frequency X]

You don't see how that makes me think he's evil??! :areyoucra

Not that I think he's "evil." He simply makes my skin crawl.

How are capitalism and individualism evil? Both philosophies are based on freedom, justice, mutual benefit, and utilitarian principles of social good.

 

[Comprehend]

ok. I changed my mind on this question. Taking into account all the people who died suspiciously around the Clintons when it woud help the Clintons if they were dead. I am going to say that anyone who runs against Hillary is taking their own life in their hands.

 

[lilithu]

How are capitalism and individualism evil? Both philosophies are based on freedom, justice, mutual benefit, and utilitarian principles of social good.

Ideologies are always evil. An ideology can take what is otherwise a good thing and push it too far.

And capitalism and especially individualism are not about mutual benefit. Capitalism is based on "survival of the fittest." To a certain extent this is good because it promotes healthy competition, but when pushed too far it grinds those who are less able to compete into the dust. That's why the U.S. is not a completely capitalist economy. A certain amount of socialism is necessary - Teddy Roosevelt knew it - and Rush is a fool for not recognizing that. Individualism is about "me first" and the only thing that I owe you is that I not physically harm you. Beyond that I have no obligation to you or to my society. I highly doubt that's what our founding fathers had in mind when they put their own fortunes and lives at risk for the idea of a country based on freedom from oppression.

 

[CaptainXeroid]

You can listen to it on their website.

and the reason I'd want to do that is.......? Seriously, I did listen from time to time when 1690 had it, but once I got outside I-285, the signal was flaky. What I did hear was the left side of the coin while WSB had right side with Hannity.

Actually, it wasn't even the show host (I believe it was Randi Rhodes) who brought it up. The callers were the ones who were expressing concern over his safety. I believe she was only commenting on his electability in terms of what the "average American" might think.

Who's paranoid now?

The callers may have brought it up, but the show producers and host decided to put the callers on the air and continue the discussion. As for who's paranoid now....certainly not me....I just have some healthy cyniscism and understanding as to how talk radio works.

 

[Kamala]

almost everyone I know that says that, has never actually listened to a full show of Limbaugh's but rather they get all of their information second hand from those who do not like him.

having said that, I have no idea how you have formed your own opinion. So, I will ask. Have you ever actually listened to a show of Limbaughs? Are you aware that his is the most listened to talk show in America? Wouldn't that make him mainstream by definition?

Yes, because if I had actually listened to Rush, I would magically see the light and realize that he is the very pillar of morality, reason and respectablility! There's NO WAY I could listen to him and form a negative opinion about him, is there?

What defines mainstream? Numbers? He claims around 20 million daily listeners. If you put the number of Americans at 300 million, that's only about 6% of the population. Not exactly a majority.

Let me put it to you this way: I'm bisexual. That alone should tell you why I prefer Air America to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Ingraham and all the other right-wing talk radio shows out there. I'm sure you can understand why I don't want to listen people who have insisted in one way or another that my very existence is somehow a threat to this nation, to society, to children, to schools, to whatever, and that that's part of the reason why I think they're all totally ignorant and flat out wrong.

 

[Kamala]

The callers may have brought it up, but the show producers and host decided to put the callers on the air and continue the discussion. As for who's paranoid now....certainly not me....I just have some healthy cyniscism and understanding as to how talk radio works.

Good for you. I actually don't like to listen to call-ins too much. That's when I usually flip over to some music. I just mentioned it here because I thought it was an interesting question.

 

[Comprehend]

Yes, because if I had actually listened to Rush, I would magically see the light and realize that he is the very pillar of morality, reason and respectablility! There's NO WAY I could listen to him and form a negative opinion about him, is there?

hey, I didn't say that. I thought I was very fair. I said I had no idea how you formed your opinion and then I asked. No I don't think you would magically see the light if you listened to him. I just wondered if you had an informed opinion or if it was all second hand BS. that's all. Would you like to hear my review of The Brothers Karamazov if I hadn't read it? :areyoucra

What defines mainstream? Numbers? He claims around 20 million daily listeners. If you put the number of Americans at 300 million, that's only about 6% of the population. Not exactly a majority.

He has more listeners than any other show. period. That makes him the most listened to in the country. So if his show is not mainstream, there is no mainstream show.

Let me put it to you this way: I'm bisexual. That alone should tell you why I prefer Air America to Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Ingraham and all the other right-wing talk radio shows out there. I'm sure you can understand why I don't want to listen people who have insisted in one way or another that my very existence is somehow a threat to this nation, to society, to children, to schools, to whatever, and that that's part of the reason why I think they're all totally ignorant and flat out wrong.

How would you know that any of them have insisted that? You have never listened. Don't tell me you just drink Air America Kool Aid and accept on blind faith everything they say do you? ( I am still pulling your chain).

 

[Kamala]

How would you know that any of them have insisted that? You have never listened. Don't tell me you just drink Air America Kool Aid and accept on blind faith everything they say do you? ( I am still pulling your chain).

Having fun with that?

 

[SoyLeche]

Don't tell me you just drink Air America Kool Aid and accept on blind faith everything they say do you? ( I am still pulling your chain).

I'm curious, Comprehend - are you listening to Hannity today?

 

[Comprehend]

I'm curious, Comprehend - are you listening to Hannity today?

I do not listen to Hannity ever. I can't handle this:

caller: "Sean, you are a great american"

Hannity: "no, you are a great american"

Caller: "well, you are a greater american"

Hannity: "well, yes, yes I am."

Why, what's going on?

 

[SoyLeche]

I do not listen to Hannity ever. I can't handle this:

caller: "Sean, you are a great american"

Hannity: "no, you are a great american"

Caller: "well, you are a greater american"

Hannity: "well, yes, yes I am."

Why, what's going on?

The kool-aid comment. Hannity was accusing a caller of drinking the "Clinton kool-aid" - so I thought maybe that's where you got the idea.

I don't really care for Hannity much - but I listen anyway. It keeps me occupied.

 

[Mathematician]

Obama?

 

[jonny]

btw, I just have to mention this because it's been puzzling me to no end. My brother, who as I said used to listen to Rush Limbaugh, now listens to NPR. When I ask him about this he gets annoyed. How the heck does one go from listening to Rush to listening to NPR??

Have you spent much time actually listening to Rush? His show is pretty entertaining and if you're an intelligent thinker and can sort the information from the propoganda it can be informative.

I think it's a strength to be able to listen and seek to understand alternative view points. Your brother sounds like he's able to do that.

 

[Comprehend]

The kool-aid comment. Hannity was accusing a caller of drinking the "Clinton kool-aid" - so I thought maybe that's where you got the idea.

I don't really care for Hannity much - but I listen anyway. It keeps me occupied.

oh, I just thought it would get her riled up a little if I said something like that.

 

[jonny]

What defines mainstream? Numbers? He claims around 20 million daily listeners. If you put the number of Americans at 300 million, that's only about 6% of the population. Not exactly a majority.

Forgive me if I laughed out loud when I read you reasoning here, but since when did they measure the popularity of a radio show on the total number of Americans? 20 million listeners is pretty good when you take into account that not everyone has time to sit in front of the radio all day. Then there are all those infants who probably don't know how to turn the radio on.

 

[Quiddity]

I was listening to Air America a few weeks ago (can you guess my political leanings? ) and many callers to a particular show were expressing concern over the potential danger Obama poses to himself by attempting to run for president. The general sentiment from (mostly African-American) callers was "We want him, but we want him alive."

Is it possible (or even likely) that attempts could be made to assassinate Obama for being the first African-American man to have serious shot at the presidency? Have we come far enough as a nation that this is an unlikely possibility?

I can only stand so much of that station. Half the time they are on the offensive and cracking jokes of the opposition.

Anywho.....I also consider it very unlikely they will assassinate him. If anything, the way things are going, the more conservative/republican runner is more likely to get shot.

 

[Kamala]

Forgive me if I laughed out loud when I read you reasoning here, but since when did they measure the popularity of a radio show on the total number of Americans? 20 million listeners is pretty good when you take into account that not everyone has time to sit in front of the radio all day. Then there are all those infants who probably don't know how to turn the radio on.

I was trying to make a point that the number of people that listen to Rush doesn't mean a damn thing about whether or not he's "mainstream." I'm going by what my dictionary describes as "mainstream": the principal or dominant course, tendency, or trend. I would hardly consider Rush to be mainstream going by those definitions. I really do not believe that the majority of people in this society agree with the majority of what he espouses. In fact, considering his post-midterm spiel about being glad for the Democrats' win because he's tired of "carrying the water" for people and legislation he didn't even really support but still pimped anyway, I don't think even HE believes what he says.

 

[Kamala]

I can only stand so much of that station. Half the time they are on the offensive and cracking jokes of the opposition.

Right, because conservative talk radio never attacks or makes jokes about people?

 

[Radio Frequency X]

Obama?

Obama Who?

 

[lilithu]

Have you spent much time actually listening to Rush? His show is pretty entertaining and if you're an intelligent thinker and can sort the information from the propoganda it can be informative.

I think it's a strength to be able to listen and seek to understand alternative view points. Your brother sounds like he's able to do that.

As I've already said in this thread, I've listened to Rush (because my brother does) and I can't stand him. And it's not like I can only stand those with whom I agree. I like to think that I'm an intellgent thinker. I don't see why I have to filter out that much propoganda for what might be a little bit of information. Mainly, I don't see why I have to filter out that much of the personal attacks on myself and other liberals.

It's great to be able to understand a variety of viewpoints. It's also great to be able to call a spade a spade (to put it politely).