1. Again, only under certain circumstances. God who sees all-- even the intent of our heart, which we sometimes do not know ourselves- can probably predict many of the choices we make similar to how a parent can often predict a young child's choices. Yet the Bible reveals God does arrange circumstances to challenge our character, in order for us to grow, where the outcome is not predictable.
why do you insist he sees all?
2. If there's faulty logic involved, then please enlighten us on the specific type of fallacy the scenario represents.
i did...
genesis 1
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind
in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
genesis 6:5
The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD
regretted that he had made human beings on the earth and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the LORD said,
“I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground
for I regret that I have made them.[/COLOR]”
8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
the fallacy is god is the creator of everything except evil.
where else did evil come from? and why would he expect a different outcome after wiping humanity off the earth while letting some alcoholic dude become the 2nd adam as it where...
why not just start all over? but alas we are here aren't we...
3. Yes I do. And I'm sure you realize this answer totally disproves your OP from the pages of the book you once cherished. Our primary objective, right?
lets not go there shall we. we are discussing ideology and putting forward arguments that support them, not my past...which really has nothing to do with the tea in china...so please refrain from throwing out ad hominems. thank you.
you said:
There's no contradiction. God knows all except for the choices made by individuals, under certain circumstances.
if that is the case...then god doesn't know all, the "certain circumstances" falls under "all"...knowing all is inclusive of everything...
what does this mean to you?
ecclesiastes 1
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
people are people...they are inclined to do the same things over and over again...and according to god every inclination is evil, so why should he be surprised that the same evil will eventually pop up it's head again...? why not destroy the entire human race and start over again? but alas we are here aren't we...
and the idea of sending a messiah to save his creation is only indicating that he was deeply troubled
yet again...
so no. the god in the bible isn't all knowing...he operates very much like we do... in a linear fashion...
4. My apologies for not seeing the logic behind repeating a passage that was refuted..
well obviously it wasn't...
5. Not according to the bible. Its definition of omniscience is the one that really counts, which as I recall, you agreed to use as a literal reference for the purposes of this discussion.
you can't redefine words in order to back up a claim. that is where i draw the line. use a different word that can describe what you mean then.
omniscient is the capacity to know everything infinitely-wiki
having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight-merrriam webster
no where in these 2 definitions does it say, under certain circumstances.
so i suggest you use a different word...because that is what this word means.
besides i like to see how you can reconcile your idea with this psalm
44:21 would not God have discovered it,
since he knows the secrets of the heart?
or
jeremiah 17 (where god is seen as one who understands our intentions more than we do)
9 The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
10 “I the LORD search the heart
and examine the mind,
to reward each person according to their conduct,
according to what their deeds deserve.”
and 1 corinthians 2:
9 However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”
—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.
by redefining words no less...
