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If Jesus was God...

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Jaymes, Apr 6, 2005.

  1. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    If Jesus was God, would he have been aware of everything that was happening everywhere? Could he have known what was happening in, say, Japan? Known of undisovered places, undiscovered animals, and the like?
     
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    If Jesus was Christ (God), then that "part" of him that was mysteriously God would have been true God, hence omniscient.
     
  3. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Even if he was God, he was in a human body, correct? Would the human brain overload if it knew everything?
     
  4. Linus

    Linus Well-Known Member

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    Good question. It's hard to answer since we are never told directly in the scriptures. I, personally, subscribe to the idea that Jesus was God, but I have never thought about this before. We do know that Jesus knew thinkgs that no ordinary human at that time knew. I suppose its possible that He knew things like that. I really don't know.
     
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    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    does Christ mean G-d? I always thought it meant like king or savior or something:sarcastic
     
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    Linus Well-Known Member

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    "Christ" is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word, "Messiah," which, I believe, is translated, "annointed one" or something like that.
     
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    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    that's what i thought...
     
  8. Ronald

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    How can I say this any differently than I've said it before? You must take liberty to change the meaning of the Word of God. No where in the Bible does Jesus/Yeshua say "I am God." So unless you assume when he said "Before Abraham was, I am." That he was claiming to be God.
    No, he did not EVER claim he was God! From God, of God, at one with God, identical to God, impress image of God, son of God, lamb of God and a host of other forms of God. BUT Never DID he say "I am God."
    Again, If you want to believe Yeshua is God? Fine, there is no crime believing he is God! There is a crime in teaching FALSE DOCTRINE to someone else! But what the hey! Christians can do anything and not be criminals, they are forgiven, past, present and future sins! What a blessing! Why didn't I think that one up? But alas, Bill Clinton tried to use that argument and Christian Rightists wouldn't let that fly! What gives? Christians! Who really understands them?
     
  9. Linus

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    I think this discussion has gone a bit off track.

    IF Jesus was God I think we can saflely say that we don't know what He kew. We do know that he could see into the future. He predicted his own death and betrayal. Im sure that if He knew these things he surely could have known those other things you were asking about, Jensa. But no one can really say.
     
  10. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Yea, I know nobody can really say. I just find it fun to toss around ideas and think out loud, I suppose. :)

    I do wonder why he didn't tell of animals or future events besides those that directly affected him, though.
     
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    hey. If Jesus really was God, then he would've been perfect. One thing he did is that he broke a promise. If he died on the cross, then he broke his promise saying that he would bring the lost tribes of Israel back to God (scattered as tribes around Afghanistan). How can a God lie?
     
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    Jesus never said he is God but God did in hebrews 1:8 which quotes a psalm; if correctly interpretated by Paul the author of hebrews then we can safely say that Jesus is God in the flesh also Paul says so in the new testament great is themystery of Godliness, God was manifest in the flesh....
     
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    Always someone new comes along and we start all over again studing this issue. Wonderful because in it is th Glory of God; his intention for all of us it the same which is given to Jesus; this makes salvation worthy of fighting for, earnestly contending for the faith that was once delivered to the saints. Jesus is all that!!!

    He is glorified in the Father and the Father is glorified in him in that we are glorified in Jesus when we glorify him. If you will glorify Jesus as he is so shall we be in this world.

    He will surely fill you with the Holy Ghost!!

    It is my understanding that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is to be filled with millions and millions of dreams too wonderful to believe that can only be fulfilled by the Holy Spirit; hence the speaking of other tongues and joy unspeakable and full of glory. `Exceeding greatness set above the imagination of man since he only thinks of this life; but the kingdom of heaven is about forever. We get a foretaste of that through the Spirit. The baptism in the Holy Ghost can only be administered by Jesus.
     
  14. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    I've read that three times and I can't understand how it relates to my original post, other than it mentions Jesus.
     
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    Early in Christian history, Apollinarius of Laodicaea asserted that in Christ the divine Word had replaced the soul or spirit. Against this error the Church confessed that the eternal Son also assumed a rational, human soul.

    This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: it was exercised in the historical conditions of his existence in space and time. This is why the Son of God could, when he became man, "increase in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man", and would even have to inquire for himself about what one in the human condition can learn only from experience. This corresponded to the reality of his voluntary emptying of himself, taking "the form of a slave".

    But at the same time, this truly human knowledge of God's Son expressed the divine life of his person. "The human nature of God's Son, not by itself but by its union with the Word, knew and showed forth in itself everything that pertains to God." Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father. The Son in his human knowledge also showed the divine penetration he had into the secret thoughts of human hearts.

    By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal. What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.

    Scott
     
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    Dr. Khan, the note in my Bible Heb.1:8 says But of the Son he says, God is thy throne, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.
    Let's be generous and say God says in no uncertain terms "Yeshua, You are God."
    Give me one simple verse where he tells you to present him as God! Nothing, but don't add or subtract from My Word! What you are doing is without a doubt adding to the WORD of GOD.
    Again, the rub is when you teach extra Biblical assummtions.
    Do you get a special award for claiming HE is God? I can't find any place in the Bible!
    Can you?
     
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    Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
    this means:
    a. if Jesus is God, then God does not know everything
    b. Jesus is not God
    c. Jesus is not omniscient
    d. Jesus is human
    e. b,c, and d

    i lost the answer key, so you will have to make the call.
     
  18. michel

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    Scott, I am stuggling with what you wrote.
    Quote:- "This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: "
    to me implies that he was restricted, in knowledge, to what we as humans are.

    Quote:-"Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father. The Son in his human knowledge also showed the divine penetration he had into the secret thoughts of human hearts.

    By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal. What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal."
    This later sentence seems to indicate that he had 'access' to a fuller knowledge, unless I have misunderstood it.

    Could you please clear this up for me?:)
     
  19. Steve

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    Hi all :)

    Jesus is God, Heres some verses to back this up.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. ....14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-2, 14

    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 john 5:7

    For much more about this have a look at this link.
    http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm


    So with that in mind lets now look at the first post of this thread
    "If Jesus was God, would he have been aware of everything that was happening everywhere? Could he have known what was happening in, say, Japan? Known of undisovered places, undiscovered animals, and the like?"

    Jesus before coming to earth would obviously know all things, he created all of creation so would know it well :)

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. ....14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-5, 14

    Another verse that shows Jesus didnt just come into existance on earth is John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. "


    So with all that in mind i assume your question is about while he was on earth?

    Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death– even death on a cross! Philippians 2:5-8
    [a]Philippians 2:6 Or in the form of
    Philippians 2:7 Or the form

    But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels.... hebrews 2:9

    And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. Luke 2:52
    If he grew in wisdom it shows that while on earth he could learn, he was truly a man as well. Jesus limited himself while a man. He was baptized and anoited by the Holy Spirit and thus did his miracles by the holy spirit, and he only did what the father told him.

    For a really good look into this the following link is very relavant.
    http://www.carm.org/doctrine/humbled.htm
     
  20. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    Why do so many Christians go on and on about how important it is to believe Jesus is God, and yet when it comes to actually following and doing what Jesus says, they fall so short, Jesus's strength is his message, not who or what he was/is. Follow his teachings, and leave this Trinity/God/son of God/Son of man nonsense to the philosophers and theologians.
     
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