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Booko said:Why do you think there's such resistance in our gov't (regardless of party in power) to being part of the International Criminal Court?
They know very well that our servicemen and some politicians could be brought up on charges.
Ðanisty said:I wish you guys could explain this to me because I can't wrap my brain around it. How exactly do you propose we (as in the whole world) abolish war completely? It's never going to happen. There will be no world peace. The closest anyone ever gets is through conquering the world! War is a necessity. War will always be there. War will always involved killing.
The reason the peace talks and negotiation work after war is because people have been defeated. Before the war, they were arrogant and not willing to negotiate. Isn't this obvious?
I can't help but feel like you guys are living with your heads in a cloud. Just look at history. War is part of being human.
CaptainXeroid said:Resurrecting an old thread and steering it back towards the topic...
WUERZBURG, Germany - A U.S. Army medic who refused to return to Iraq of his opposition to the war was convicted of desertion at his court martial Tuesday, and could face as long as seven years in prison.
Spc. Agustin Aguayo admitting to jumping out a window at his base housing in Germany and fleeing home to California to avoid being deployed to Iraq because he beleives the war to be immoral. His trial was being watched by anti war groups probably in the hopes they could convince others to desert their fellow troups.
Aguayo plead guilty to a lesser charge of absent without leave)AWOL), but the judge agreed with prosecutors in finding him guilty of desertion.
Hopefully, with this precedent, Watada will soon be convicted as well.
CaptainXeroid said:Hopefully, with this precedent, Watada will soon be convicted as well.
No, I think war overall is a necessity. Some wars are pointless...like Vietnam.The Truth said:So you think of any War as a necessity even if it wasn't fair?
You're avoiding my point and I'm not surprised at all. Just go ahead and believe whatever you want.Let's assume you don't care whether it was fair or not?
Would you dare to post like this again if someone invaded your country, raped you and your mother, then killed all of your family in front of your eyes?
Ðanisty said:You're avoiding my point and I'm not surprised at all. Just go ahead and believe whatever you want.
Certainly no more predictable than the way you twisted everything I said to fit your preconceived notions.The Truth said:Just as expected.
Ðanisty said:I wish you guys could explain this to me because I can't wrap my brain around it. How exactly do you propose we (as in the whole world) abolish war completely? It's never going to happen. There will be no world peace. The closest anyone ever gets is through conquering the world! War is a necessity. War will always be there. War will always involved killing.
The reason the peace talks and negotiation work after war is because people have been defeated. Before the war, they were arrogant and not willing to negotiate. Isn't this obvious?
I can't help but feel like you guys are living with your heads in a cloud. Just look at history. War is part of being human.
Seyorni said:With that attitude you insure continuing strife, Danisty. Social innovators have always been told they have their heads in the clouds. When their innovations become the social norm the original criticisms are forgotten.
Be the change you wish to see...
Ðanisty said:Certainly no more predictable than the way you twisted everything I said to fit your preconceived notions.
Majikthise said:I agree completely.
And , warfare is neccessary for troops to gain combat experience and leaders to gain diplomatic experience. Consant training and study are useful to prepare for conflict but they are no replacement for the real thing. Sitting on our hands waiting for enemies to come to us leads to weakness, has led to weakness.
Iraq should be a wake up call to get it in gear and do what needs to be done no matter how distasteful it might be.
Soldiers (and they don't deserve the title) like these only aid those who would see us fail and should be treated as traitors punished to the full extent of MILITARY law.
The Truth said:
Impressive.The Truth said:If i misunderstood what you said earlier then enlighten me please instead of accusing me with things which i didn't intended to do or say. Can you at least elaborate what you said before if you don't mind?
Flappycat said:The dude chose two years of prison and loss of face over a paying job of tolerable risk. It's highly doubtful that he's insincere, and, quite frankly, I respect you less for your highly cynical and, frankly, rather spiteful attitude over this matter. Besides, I hold him to the same standard as everyone else, and I'll have none of this retarded nonsense of holding officers to some special standard as if, in joining the military, their mentality was somehow expected to take on some different form. To suppose such is both unjust and very dangerous. Also, try to get it into your head that the war ended with the fall of the Ba'athist Regime, and all combat since has been internal strife which can and should be handled by Iraq's own elected government. There's nothing left to win. There is plenty left to lose. Again, the White House's only motive in protracting the occupation is to save face on their own part, which is a criminal and treasonous waste of American lives.
They're still honorable, though, if they feel it's their moral duty not to perform them, whether or not you agree with them.Majikthise said:My disdain for these people is based on the fact that they feel they should shirk their personal responsibilities and abandon those who depend on them to perform their sworn duty.
Prejudice, then. Don't try to paint a rosy picture over nasty sentiments.My feelings are probably a little stronger than mere spite.
If you don't feel that it is ethical for them to reach this goal, though, it's perfectly acceptable in my eyes to abandon these duties. Your own conscience doesn't disappear upon joining.The miltary is a team and depends on each individual to carry out the duties ascribed to them in order for all to reach thier goal.
No, it's only contemptable if one does it for selfish reasons, particularly if done when one's own country is under attack. Of course, we herald and praise those who betray our enemies, but double-standards are usual in politics.To walk away in times of peace is acceptable, in times of strife it is contemptable.