Yes, if Christ had asked us to do so this, then that is what we would do. That is real Faith to which many have already partaken of.
They become the Physical Martyrs inspired of the Great Beings.
Regards Tony
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How are these Great Beings explained?
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Yes, if Christ had asked us to do so this, then that is what we would do. That is real Faith to which many have already partaken of.
They become the Physical Martyrs inspired of the Great Beings.
Regards Tony
Without the Physical I am Spiritual. Thus I die to the material and my eyes open in the spiritual.
Regards Tony
Unveiled Artist
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Unveiled Artist
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No. It is not.
Your faith blinds you to the spiritual differences in other faiths.
Unveiled Artist
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Can you experience the same thing without the physical part of your post?
With my views I just said it was possible. Many Christains were burned at the stake or put to the Cross.
The time for Material Baptisim with fire is short, usually aids in the growth of a New Faith and gives great strength in the Spiritual concept for future generations.
Regards Tony
Unveiled Artist
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Im asking about physical. Can you baptize someone in fire as you can with water.
Its a physics question.
Unveiled Artist
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No. It literally makes you blind. Diversity blindness.
Like someone who cant see differences in peoples face (real condition) but still say everyone looks the same.
There is a lot of root diversity in America. Cant Not step on diversity's toes here. We have riots and parades against conformity in religions. People die because of it. We have a history.
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Unveiled Artist
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Thanks. How so?
As you are tying to determine if either of these material actions aid or benefit us spiritually, the Question is why would I want or need to?
I have explained I do not need the Material aspect to partake of the Spiritual gift offered, so why do you insistently think and ask me if other people do need them?
Regards Tony
As our Soul is given from God. It is God that has given this temporal life for our benefit. I would think if this life was not needed or a benefit, I would not be here.
There are many Souls that do not partake of this life, that do not make it from the womb to live it. They are still under the bounty and mercy of God. I, with my wife who held the young stillborn body in her hands, have one such child to which my wife and I still Love. There is a reason for all things.
Of Course, beleiving in God is paramount to these thoughts. Thus I do understand why you see the physical a must aspect of spirituallity.
Regards Tony
The Diversity Baha'u'llah has offered has no violence or war.
People of all Faiths have chosen that Diversity and live it all around the world.
The Bible does say many are called, but few are chosen. Could it be that Baha'u'llahs diversity is of the Chosen? That It is our heart that makes that Choice?
Regards Tony
Unveiled Artist
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I was speaking with investigator about the physical and spiritual cannot be seperated and more so thd physical resurrection of christ cannot be seperate from spiritual. Be or lover asked a out fire and whether I see that as symbolic or physical. Trick question. The fire and water are both in the same verse. Its a contradiction and by physics impossible to baptize by fire and water.
Yet, people gave died by fire and are being baptized by water daily. There is symbolic meaning to water baptism and without water its not full baptism. It needs both.
I asked if fire is symbolic than water must be too unless they are both symbolic because they are in the sane verse.
I assume investigator is cooling off. I forget my questions and its irritating to repeat my questions unless who ever i speak with acknowledges they got what I said before replying, I summarize what I understand of what you all say.
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Unveiled Artist
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Diversity has no god as its foundation.
Those who follow christ only as a means to god are chosen. Im not chosen nor are you because we are both no christians. Jesus isnt my savior and you have more than one avenue to god making your views only similar by gross spirituality.
The physical is not the same=the spiritual is not the same. It has to be both. Bahai view is picking hairs. The bible isnt that openminded.
dfnj
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They way you become a great leader is find a parade and step in front of it. What made those teachers "great" was an audience with exactly the right mindset to make them great. Before the next Great Spiritual Teacher shows up the people have to be in the right place for the parade to begin.
Yes this is what is being said, that we look for the Spiritual Meaning in what is being offered.
I would also add, though in the one teaching, it is John offering Baptism by water and it is Christ who will Baptise by Holy Spirit and Fire. Thus offering two aspects of Spiritual thought.
Regards Tony
Christ must welcome those that are, all those based in His Love and Servitide.
Regards Tony