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Holy spirit, light of God, face of God, names of God, etc

Discussion in 'Quranic Debates' started by Link, Jun 12, 2021.

  1. Link

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    I want to say we all understand ahadith and Quran differently. That's fine and there are different levels of understanding, and people go at it in their own pace.

    I believe according to Quran and ahadith, the concept of name of God is not "letters" for example "A" "L" "L" "A" "H" and combining that and that refers to God. That is a pointer to a pointer that points to God.

    The reality of the name of God can be seen from a singular term and it can be seen from plural. The plural are the many instances of his name and the singular is saying they all his name and it's one light and reality.

    Samuel translates to "name of God", but he is not God nor referred to by the word "G" "O" "D" combined letters. God as in the Creator is referred to by it, but how?

    Ahlulbayt can be called "signs of God" and each leader and guide a rope of God combined with the Quran, they are ships from one viewpoint, but one ship, one sign, one rope from another viewpoint.

    The path of God is described similarly in Quran as one path, but as well, the Prophets and Messengers were all paths to God. It's one path from one perspective, but they split into different paths, so one path and many paths they are, don't contradict.

    I believe similarly, the concept of holy spirit or spirit from his authority, can be described, as one reality and from another perspective, there are many instances of the holy spirit.

    Adam is an instance of the breath of God in form of the holy spirit, his face, his greatest sign, and his greatest name. His essence is light and is from the malakut. This reality because it never ceases from Adam till now, is said to be the concept of the holy spirit. name of God, light of God.

    Ahlulbayt and Quran have been called a singular sign from one perspective, but this proof and sign from God is full of signs and proofs from another perspective.

    Ahlulbayt and Quran are word of God from one perspective, by they also mines of his words from another.

    They are his proof from one perspective, and are where his lights and proofs are found from another perspective.

    When Ahlulbayt talk about holy spirit being what was in Adam, in Jesus and was with Mohammad and is with each Imam, they are talking the role of authority from God in the light emitted by him.

    Now this I stated my understanding without proofs from quotes of Quran and hadiths, but I believe I can prove this through ahadith and Quran. For example, if you look up ahadith about the word that God makes firm believers by and the pure word, it will clarify a lot.
     
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    Yet the teaching is said by man for men to state accept holiness by what you see to what you know and reverence its support of your living being.
     
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    All words and concepts are 'pointers' to represent the real, but are not real in themselves, except as concepts. The word God/Allah for example is merely a concept to represent a reality yet unrealized by the vast majority of the followers and practitioners of the world's religions. To discover the reality represented by the concept of God/Allah is what religious practice is all about. It ultimately is not about belief, but about the reality underlying the belief. As some sage once wrote for the lasting guidance of all true aspirants concerning the actual realizing of God/Allah...

    I contemplated God so persistently,
    I finally became God.
    Little by little God drew nearer,
    Slowly but slowly I passed away.

    So long as you are content with belief and ritual, you can not realize God, one must go beyond the words and practice. This of course may take a lifetime, and probably a very difficult one at that. Word is though it is worth it at the end!
     
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    The name of God in my OP happens to be a living reality, but I do agree with your post.
     
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    Thank you, I understand .
     
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